81st Field Regiment RA - Service Records

Discussion in 'Royal Artillery' started by JDG, Oct 14, 2008.

  1. JDG

    JDG Junior Member

    Well, having prepared myself to be patient, and wait until probably the new year for my grandfather's service record, I was very, very pleased to hear this morning that the copies of my Grandfather's service record have arrived, although typically when I am not at home!

    My Mum was as keen as me to see what the record said and managed to share a few snippets with me over the phone this morning, to keep me going I suspect!

    Here are a few of those snippets -
    Unit 81st (Welsh) Field Regiment (RA) 3rd Dec 1945 which is when I assume that my Grandfather was discharged. This is a different regiment from the one recorded on the embroidery that started my search off in the first place.

    BW NW Europe 18th July 1944-29th Nov 1945 Quite what this means I am not sure, and I am working slightly blind by not having the copies in front of me.

    The record also lists that my Grandfather was a cook for 18 months. This we did actually know, but the record confirms it. I wonder how many men he cooked for?

    Anyway, thanks for listening to me ramble.

    Regards
    Julie
     
  2. Paul Reed

    Paul Reed Ubique MOD

  3. JDG

    JDG Junior Member

    Julie - I moved this to a new thread so you can get some better responses.

    81st Field Regt RA served with 53rd (Welsh) Division. More on 81st here:

    RA 1939-45 81 Fld Rgt

    More on 53rd Division here:

    53rd Welch Division Normandy 1944


    Thanks Paul for moving this into a new thread, and for the links you provided.

    Regards
    Julie
     
  4. Philip Reinders

    Philip Reinders Very Senior Member

    Maybe he was ACC attached to the regiment, I have quite a number of ACC cooks killed on my site
     
  5. JDG

    JDG Junior Member

    Maybe he was ACC attached to the regiment, I have quite a number of ACC cooks killed on my site

    Sorry, what is ACC?

    Regards
    Julie
     
  6. Paul Reed

    Paul Reed Ubique MOD

    It's Army Catering Corps.
     
  7. JDG

    JDG Junior Member

    It's Army Catering Corps.

    Of course! thanks for that.
     
  8. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    What was his Army Number?
     
  9. JDG

    JDG Junior Member

    What was his Army Number?

    My Grandfather's Army Number was 1745971
     
  10. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    So he was a Gunner on enlistment rather than ACC.
    His number 1745971 fits into the block for Royal Artillery not Army Catering Corps

    Royal Artillery 721001 - 1842000 and 11000001 - 11500000

    Army Catering Corps 10630001 - 10655000
     
  11. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    This page will explain how a Field Regiment was organised & how many men your Grandad cooked for.
    British Artillery Organisations 1939-45

    At the outbreak of war a field regiment was 28 officers and 555 other ranks, the 1941 organisation increased this to 36 & 634.


    Cooks from the Army Catering Corps (ACC), these had been RA until the ACC was created in 1941


    This page shows a Field Regiment in 1944 & what everone's job was, what vehicles they used etc etc

    Organisation of a Field Regiment 1944

    The ACC had 3 ncos & 18 privates attacthed to a Field Regt..
     
  12. JDG

    JDG Junior Member

    So he was a Gunner on enlistment rather than ACC.
    His number 1745971 fits into the block for Royal Artillery not Army Catering Corps

    Royal Artillery 721001 - 1842000 and 11000001 - 11500000

    Army Catering Corps 10630001 - 10655000

    The Service Record has been forwarded to me by Mum and arrived this morning. All the references indicate that he joined as a gunner and the Notification of Impending Release paper signed by the Major commanding 323rd Field Battery states that he was employed as a battery cook and had been for the past 18 months, though he has never been officially tested as such and he coped extraordinary well. That document is signed 26th Nov 1945 at BAOR.

    Regards Julie
     
  13. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

  14. JDG

    JDG Junior Member

    A few copies of Divisional History on here for 20 quid.
    I've got one, rather good.
    It will tell you where & what the Division as a whole did in 44/45.

    AbeBooks: Search Results - barclay and 53rd

    Thanks for the various web link and the details about the book.

    I am planning to sit and produce a chronology of which regiment and the various dates, so that I can really understand where he was and when.
    I've just noticed a few extra bits - RA Depot Woolwich Fort Staddon 1941
    Posted draft RFKGH 1941
    16th Coastal Reg - which was the regiment on the embroidery that started the search off in the first place!
    1943 Posted 533 Coastal Regiment
    1944 81st Field Regiment

    How I wish that he was here to tell me all about it. On reading all the papers I really do feel very proud and slightly emotional over the whole thing.

    Regards
    Julie
     
  15. openshores

    openshores Junior Member

    What was the reference to embroidery? I am researching WW2 embroidery and stitch - can you enlighten me please?
    Thanks
     
  16. Rob Dickers

    Rob Dickers 10th MEDIUM REGT RA

    Julie
    It's nice you've found another Arty Boy, please be proud of him.
    Rob D
     
  17. JDG

    JDG Junior Member

    What was the reference to embroidery? I am researching WW2 embroidery and stitch - can you enlighten me please?
    Thanks

    I inherited a very simple bit of plain blue material, on which my Grandfather has embroidered an emblem on each corner and in the centre
    his name G Butcher, WAF, 2nd Jun 1941. I'll try and take a phone of it and upload it here for you. I had it professionally framed about 10 years ago and now hangs very proudly on the wall on the landing where I see it every day.

    Of course, it is very ironic that I should be replying to your posting exactly 68 years after he embroidered the date on the material.
     
  18. Swiper

    Swiper Resident Sospan

    Julie, I'm currently studying the 53rd Welsh Division and all of their gubbins and currently transcribing all the War Diaries from the National Archives at Kew...

    I should get round to the 81st Field Artillery Diary within a month, but a good book to read - if you can get it is Patrick Delaforce's "Red Dragon and Crown" but its somewhat expensive and out of print. They are also requently mentioned in the 53rd Divisions history published in 1960.

    PM me your email addy and I'll send you the word file when its done. Also do you have any other items/writings of his service?
     
  19. JDG

    JDG Junior Member

    Julie, I'm currently studying the 53rd Welsh Division and all of their gubbins and currently transcribing all the War Diaries from the National Archives at Kew...

    I should get round to the 81st Field Artillery Diary within a month, but a good book to read - if you can get it is Patrick Delaforce's "Red Dragon and Crown" but its somewhat expensive and out of print. They are also requently mentioned in the 53rd Divisions history published in 1960.

    PM me your email addy and I'll send you the word file when its done. Also do you have any other items/writings of his service?

    Thanks for this, I have PMed my email address to you.
    I have a copy of my Grandfather's service record and his pay book in addition to the embroidered material. Also I was pointed by another researcher to a book, the name escapes me for the moment but it was by John Harris, so thanks for the book tip.
     

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