7890403 Ian Grant, died 13/5/40, 1st Lothian and Borders horse

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  1. AB64

    AB64 Senior Member

    I've split this out from my main service book thread http://www.ww2talk.com/forum/ww2-militaria-collecting/37557-casualty-service-paybook-collection.html to see if I can find and more info, would he be included on the missing men file? is there one for the unit?

    7890403 Ian Grant, born 7/1/15, enlisted 18/1/39, died 13/5/40 age 25
    No 1 troop 1st Lothian and Borders horse " after dropping off ammunition to forward battalions two tanks attempted to attack the Germans and both were knocked out Sgt Grant commanded the second tank- described in Sacrifice of a Division & briefly in None Bolder & Montys Highlanders, also in report in unit war diary, possibly units first casualty
    CWGC :: Casualty Details
    An image of Sgt Grant, kindly provided by the webmaster at 1st Lothians and Border Yeomanry which includes an account of the action in which Sgt Grant was killed.

    From the above website its possible to view the War Diary 1st Lothians and Border Yeomanry which gives a full description of the incident

    The panel on the Dunkirk Memorial with L/Sgt Grant included
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  2. BrianM59

    BrianM59 Senior Member

    If I recall, there is a 'missing' - i.e. War Office Casualty dep't file, but covering the entire Royal Armoured Corps: WO361/105. I'm sorry I can't remember exactly as I was after 10th Hussars, but I recall there were some details of the Lothian and Borders Horse. Perhaps muster/nominal rolls but I 'm sorry I can't remember specifically. I'm not down again for a while, perhaps Drew could help?
  3. AB64

    AB64 Senior Member

    I wasnt sure if he would be covered in the file as while his body was missing, his fate was known, the War Diary mentions them being unable to get his body out, so he was checked and as such may not have been officially considered missing..


  4. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot Patron 1940 Obsessive

    He may get a brief mention but if someone saw him killed it's unlikely. The mIssing Men files are for men that the Army doesn't know where they are ie PoW or Killed in Action so they could tell the NoK etc.

    I'm assuming he is the Tank Commander refered to killed by AT fire?
  5. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot Patron 1940 Obsessive

    And just as I thought I couldn't have a better night in the 1940 Section:
  6. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot Patron 1940 Obsessive

    If I'm not mistaken (Its ages since I read it) Sgt Grants death is recorded in Saul David's book about 51 Div. with the BEF.
  7. AB64

    AB64 Senior Member

    Thanks for that Drew, the incident is mentioned in a couple of books (probably others I dont have) but not in great depth. Sgt Grant was in charge of the 2nd Tank.

    I guessed as you say that the file was for those who there was no official trace of, so Sgt Grant woulnt likely be included, but thought it was worth asking.

    Thanks for the scans

  8. hucks216

    hucks216 Member

    An old thread but was just having a browse through and noticed that the one piece of information that seemed to be missing was who the Germans were that the British were facing on the day Grant was killed.
    The image is taken from the Lage West situation map for 13th May 1940 and shows that they were up against 95.Infanterie-Division which at the time was commanded by Hans-Heinrich Sixt von Armin who would go on to be captured at Stalingrad and die in a Russian PoW Camp.

    Inked13th May 1940_mod1.jpg

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