58th anti tank regiment Italy 1944 info required

Discussion in 'Italy' started by Richard Francis, Mar 20, 2017.

  1. eneral Chat (6)Forum Activity+

    Yesterday at 2:04 PM

    @ Richard Francis: i am visiting Assisi cemetry next week to visit the grave of my grandfather.2056266 william simpsom of the 58th anti tank regiment,royal artilleryhe died on 13/10/1944,i do not know much about his divs movements or how hw died,the family rumour is he was injured,returned home then went back to continue fighting...other than that if any one has any other history to fill in the blanks ,it would be much apprecitedthanks in advance
     
  2. eneral Chat (6)Forum Activity+

    Yesterday at 2:04 PM

    @ Richard Francis: i am visiting Assisi cemetry next week to visit the grave of my grandfather.2056266 william simpsom of the 58th anti tank regiment,royal artilleryhe died on 13/10/1944,i do not know much about his divs movements or how hw died,the family rumour is he was injured,returned home then went back to continue fighting...other than that if any one has any other history to fill in the blanks ,it would be much apprecitedthanks in advance
     
  3. 4jonboy

    4jonboy Daughter of a 56 Recce Patron

  4. Thanks , i didn't see it come up so re posted


    ="4jonboy, post: 745213, member: 18595"]Duplicate post - see here
    58th anti tank regiment 09/1944 info required


    Edit: Richard-best stick to just the one post. Mods don't really like duplicate posts as it confuses us;)[/QUOTE]
    Yhanks
     
  5. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Merged duplicate threads.
    Have you applied for his service records from the MoD ?
    I also suggest asking if any members have the unit war diary for the date he was killed.
     
  6. BFBSM

    BFBSM Very Senior Member Patron

  7. BFBSM

    BFBSM Very Senior Member Patron

    War Diary references at the National Archives are, following a search on arcre.com:

    There may be, as Owen suggests members with copies of the relevant diary, so I would post a request before anything else. If you want/need to get your own copy/copies, and are unable to attend The National Archives at Kew, there are members here who can assist: Drew5233 and PsyWar.Org, both offer excellent services and competitive rates. Also Drew5233 may already have copies.

    Mark
     
  8. Mymumapplied a few years ago but there wasn't much info
     
  9. vitellino

    vitellino Senior Member

    Hello Richard and welcome to the forum,

    See my website http://assisiwarcemetery.weebly.com/the-gothic-line.html.

    Your grandfather was temporarily buried in the cemetery of Camerano on the Gothic line as were three other members of his regiment (all in row C section I). 86 men who lie in the Cemetery at Assisi were temporarily buried at either Camerano or nearby Longiano before being brought down to their final resting place.

    I hope you have a memorable visit. Every year there is a huge turn-out of local people to a commemoration service in the cemetery - last year it was on Remembrance Sunday but it is usually on the nearest Sunday to the day in June 1944 when the town was liberated. There is an adopt a grave scheme too - if you send me a private message I will tell you how to contact the person who organises it so that you can find out if your grandfather's grave is already being looked after by someone.

    Best wishes,

    Vitellino
     

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  10. BFBSM

    BFBSM Very Senior Member Patron

  11. vitellino

    vitellino Senior Member

    Thanks very much. I've been involved with the cemetery for a few years now and thought I should pass on some of the information I had collected together.

    Vitellino
     
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  12. Wow...
    Thanks everybody for your help
    i will be piecing together this info and pictures from my visit and giving them to my mother for her birthday, she never knew her father but did visit his grave some 28 yrs ago
     
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  13. Drew5233

    Drew5233 Members Patron 1940 Obsessive

    Thanks for the recommendation Mark.

    Hi Richard, I've just checked my files and unfortunately I don't have any of this units war diaries. If you'd like me to copy one/some/all of them for you drop me a message.
     
  14. Skoyen89

    Skoyen89 Senior Member

    Just posted on the 58th Anti-Tank Regiment RA thread I set up a few months ago. Hadn't seen this thread which answers the question I posed.
     
  15. Skoyen89

    Skoyen89 Senior Member

    Simpson W 78 ATkRegt RA.JPG

    You are in luck! I copied the file to the end of 1944. Sorry it might be too late for your visit. I'll look to see if I have a copy of the map for Longiano 6599.

    If you want the War Diary copies I will put them on a drive and mail them to you when I am back in the UK. PM me a home address.

    Hope your trip is going well.
     
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  16. Skoyen89

    Skoyen89 Senior Member

    231 Battery were at 743935 on 13th October and appear to have been supporting 138 Brigade. Battalion HQ was at 627860. The War Diary says your grandfather was in 231 Battery manning one of two 17 pounders in that area.
     
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  17. If you could copy them that would be great
    We had a great trip, there was a welcoming party at the cemetery
    A retired general, retired colonel,janet dethick who lives near the cemetery who got in touch thro this site
    Also the lady who has adopted my grandfathers grave.
    Let me know the cost of the diary,I am doing it as a surprise for my mother who never met her father.
    My email is (removed by Owen )



    Thank you
     
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  18. Skoyen89

    Skoyen89 Senior Member

    Hi Richard.

    I suggest you take off your address (use Edit facility) and email address as the bots will get them and you will be spammed to death. I have them now.
     
  19. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Done .
     
  20. vitellino

    vitellino Senior Member

    What a brilliant outcome for Richard. Once again this forum has come up trumps.

    Vitellino
     
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