4th Regiment Maritime Anti-Aircraft Royal Artillery WW2

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Thanks Paul. Not much to add unfortunately. I do see though that under Military History it says 'See Maritime Card' which indicates Army Records did, at some stage, have this record. It might be worth contacting the MOD records to see if it is still with his file. It's not unknown for the MOD not to send out the full records, sometimes they just miss a page or think it's not relevant.

Tim

 

Sadly, Tim, in my experience dealing with Maritime Regiment records, the Maritime Card in many cases does not survive. very sad for those retrospectively looking back on their relatives service and only seeing half the story. Same for the RN (with their accounting bases).

Fingers crossed for NOVELIST
Regards
Hugh

 

Hi Paul

My Mothers cousin, L/Sgt George Glenday, was also with 4th Maritime Regt, Royal Artillery.

He was the DEMS troop leader on board the SS Melbourne Star, which was torpedoed 480 miles south-east of Bermuda by the U-129 on 2nd April 1943. The ship sunk in just 2 minutes. 115 of the 119 crew were lost including George. The four survivors endured 38 days cast adrift in a life boat before being rescued by a US Catalina Flying Boat.

George is remembered on the naval war memorial in Plymouth and in his home town of Dundee.

George Glenday

As far as I can tell, he was the only close relative to have been killed during WW2.

I am forever grateful to the forum for providing me with this information.

Gus

 

Paul - just for information - you dont need a new post for each image, you can put them all together in one post - its easier

TD

 

Thanks for all the reply's.

 

thanks for the info on George Glenday

 

I think i got all they had on Walter, they even sent me his WW1 Service record,
which was included with his WW2 service record.

Regards

 

Did you see on the service record the world locations, Walter was posted to.

Regards

 

Did you see on the service record the world locations, Walter was posted to.

See photos on my first post, two of the members said India for location.

Regards

 

Hi

All just got the NOVELIST Log book.
Walter no 63 in the list
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Hi Paul,
That is part of the ship's official logbook. If you note in the right hand column opposite his name you will see the number 28. There will be an entry about him on page 28 in the narrative of the logbook. Also if you look at the crew agreement also within you should see his name and also the name of his previous ship if it was recorded so I hope you got the relevant pages.
Regards
Hugh

 

Hi Hugh,

Thanks for the reply,

I was only sent x4 sheets, 1 front sheet logbook and x3 sheets list of crew on the ship.
( page 28 is not included ) no other info

Regards

 

Hi Paul,
Does it show what his previous ship was on the crew agreement? As far as we know he first served at sea in 1941 so you need to back track to 1941 via ships' crew agreements. I hope that ship is mentioned as it holds the key to the next stage. If you are not sure can you post the crew agreement pages x 3 please?
With reference to page 28, I note there are similar page references on the crew list to all the DEMS gunners - ranging pages 28 - 33. Their ability and conduct is VG so the entries will not be discipline related. Probably a note stating when they joined and who they relieved but it is just my thoughts.
The ship's official logbook is quite a large document that includes the crew agreement & crew list along with the narrative of the logbook and there are other pages that are not really of interest to researchers.
So it is always difficult to know what to ask for in the first instance. You had ordered the document before I could say that there are people on this site who will copy whatever pages you need and cheaper too
Regards
Hugh

 

My dad was also posted this regiment on the same day and I have a complete list of the ships he served on

 

Hello,

I am also hoping to find any info about my grandmother's brother who also served in the
4 Maritime A.A. Regt., Royal Artillery.
He passed on the 05 July 1945.
Gunner, Cyril Sunderland

 

Hi

Would suggest starting off by obtaining his service records - ONLY available from the MOD - link to forms here Request records of deceased service personnel

I assumed this is him - died in USA
UK, Army Roll of Honour, 1939-1945
Name: Cyril Sunderland
Given Initials: C S
Rank: Gunner
Death Date: 5 Jul 1945
Number: 11409693
Birth Place: Kent
Residence: Kent
Branch at Enlistment: Royal Artillery
Theatre of War: Continent of America
Regiment at Death: Royal Artillery
Branch at Death: Royal Artillery

Casualty Details | CWGC

When filling in the forms for the MOD you dont need a death certificate, just download and send the certificate that is within the CWGC page - it states

"Download Certificate" - this replaces the need for a normal death certificate

Once you have his records we have members who can help you search further into where he went and on which ships etc but its vital to start off on the right track and that can only happen with his service records


TD

Perhaps MODs can move this to a thread of its own

 

Looks like death by natural causes.



Tim

 

From my own records, Gunner Cyril Sunderland signed off ss SEMINOLE in February of that year. The ships official logbook may or may not have a mention of any illness if he was landed for treatment. Of course he may have signed off as normal and subsequently became ill.
Regards
Hugh

 

U.S., Find A Grave Index, 1600s-Current
Name: Cyril Stephen Sunderland
Birth Date: Jun 1921
Birth Place: Kent, England
Death Date: 5 Jul 1945
Death Place: New York, United States of America
Cemetery: Long Island National Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place: East Farmingdale, Suffolk County, New York, United States of America

Cyril Stephen Sunderland (1921-1945) - Find A...




There are other files on Ancestry I cant open as I dont have a subscription to those areas

New York, New York, U.S., Extracted Death Index, 1862-1948
Name: Stephen Sunderland
Age: 23
Birth Year: abt 1922
Death Date: 5 Jul 1945
Death Place: Queens, New York, USA
Certificate Number: 5436
Wills and Probates: Search for Stephen Sunderland in New York Wills & Probates collection

U.S., National Cemetery Interment Control Forms, 1928-1962
Stephen Cyril Sunderland

New York, U.S., Arriving Passenger and Crew Lists (including Castle Garden and Ellis Island), 1820-1957
Cyril Sunderland

New York State, Passenger and Crew Lists, 1917-1967
Cyril Sunderland

Plus others

TD