Hi I hope someone can help, my grandfather WW2 was in the Royal Artillery. i have his service record. He was posted 14/04/1941 to the 4th Regiment Maritime Anti-Aircraft Royal Artillery. is this a Army regiment or a Navy regiment. who would have of issues his medals, the Army council. Medals received x5 The War Medal 1939–1945 is a campaign medal DEFENCE Medal May 1945 campaign medal PACIFIC STAR Medal, May 1945 is a campaign medal Specifically, in the Pacific campaign from 1941 to 1945. 1939 - 1945 STAR MEDALS, is a military campaign medal 8 July 1943 Award for service in the Second World War ATLANTIC STAR MEDALS, May 1945 Specifically those who took part in the Battle of the Atlantic the longest continuous campaign of the war Any help would be great Paul
Hi Paul and welcome, The Maritime Regiment R.A. is an army regiment. His medals would be issued by the army. The Royal Navy and the Maritime Regiment supplied Defensively Equipped Merchant Ships (D.E.M.S.) gunners for the Merchant Navy - they looked after the defensive armament on those ships. The Maritime Regiment gunners like the RN (D.E.M.S.) are difficult to research. I would imagine your grandfather's maritime card is not with his service records. If that is the case finding out which ships he served aboard could be difficult but if you could supply a name, date and place of birth it may help. Each regiment was responsible for a designated area of shipping: The 4th Regt, Southport - Mersey. Although that did not necessarily mean that he sailed out of Liverpool ports all the time. He has the Atlantic Star medal because of service at sea on D.E.M.S. Regards Hugh
Hi Hugh, Thanks for the info ( no maritime card ) , just his service record His name Walter Bollands 1898–1966 BIRTH 15/12/1898 • 24 Hopkins Street Middlesbrough Yorkshire - North Riding ( Corps Royal Artillery Light Anti Aircraft ) Army Rank Gunner (Equating to Private ) ( Army No 1482498 ) Military 04/02/1942 Reported Missing at Sea
Sounds like his ship was sunk and he survived. Can you post his Service Record? There may be some other information ie. Casualty List which is not apparent to you. In particular it is not clear whether 04/2/42 refers to the date the ship sank or whether it is the date of the report. For instance MV Silveray was torpedoed and sunk 4/2/42 by U751 south of Halifax. But whether this was your grandfather's ship is a guess. The Master and 40 others survived. Hugh will probably be able to help further. Tim
In the absence of a Maritime Card it is very difficult to trace him as the only way to do that is via Merchant Navy records and to do that you need to know the name of at least one ship to start with. All DEMS gunners signed the Articles of Agreement becoming part of the ship's crew under the master. If that known ship is at the end of his service we can - with a bit of luck - trace back his service via MN Crew Agreements which usually but not always list the previous ship. Anyway I think we have found our bit of luck. I have Walter Bollands age 44 - 2 years at sea as a deck hand aboard the catapult aircraft merchantmen (CAM) ship ss NOVELIST in July of 1943. So I can't help with records after July 1943 but if you can obtain the Crew Agreement for NOVELIST official number 166296 for the year 1943 you should hopefully see him listed as a deck hand and also name his previous ship. That way you can back track his service. So it looks like he first went to sea in 1941. D.E.M.S. gunners were paid a nominal shilling a week by the ship owners, given civilian clothing and were all classed as deck hands for legal reasons. The 1943 Crew Agreement for NOVELIST official number 166296 is held at Kew in piece BT 381/2570 Hope that is of some help. Regards Hugh
I see there is another thread with information about your grandfather. Here it says after his ship was bombed he was taken to Singapore. If this is correct and with the date of 4/02/42 he was lucky not to have been captured. Royal Artillery any idea of photo loctions Tim
Hi Thanks for all the info The other threads was 3 years ago 2015, it was to do with some photos, my father gave me of Walter Bollands in ww2. i was looking at the locations. Regards
Ref Family tree, i spent a long time researching Walter Bollands, ww1 service record, POW red cross, WW2 is much hard to piece together. ill have a look at Kew Crew Agreement for NOVELIST. Thanks
Ive just ordered the Kew in piece BT 381/2570, The 1943 Crew Agreement for NOVELIST official number 166296
Hi Paul, Yes please. They may prove useful in the future if not now. I understand what you are saying about your previous post on the photographs but the responses did include information which was not repeated on this thread ie. that your grandfather had served in WW1 and that MV Silveray had already been identified as a possible ship and then discounted. That his ship had been bombed rather than torpedoed, he was missing for three days and was then taken to Singapore. All useful information in trying to get the picture. Hoping you are lucky with the Novelist. Tim