4th Batallion Buffs 18.4.40 to 13.5.45

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  1. Liz. K

    Liz. K Member

    I am just starting out researching details of my Gt Grandfather I have his papers from MoD but feel the need for more information. In his records it says he was captured 15.12.41 and released 13.5.45,i would like to know more about his regiments movements, involvement and details of his Capture and time as a PoW, he was held in Germany Stalag IV D.

    Any help or pointers would be great,

    Liz
     
  2. Tullybrone

    Tullybrone Senior Member

    See my reply on your introductory post.

    Hello!

    Steve
     
    Last edited: May 4, 2018
  3. Liz. K

    Liz. K Member

    The pics of his paperwork won't load because they are to big from my phone I'll set if I can make them smaller
     
  4. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Re member

    UK, British Prisoners of War, 1939-1945
    Name: W A Boyden
    Rank: Private
    Army Number: 5954459
    Regiment: The Buffs
    POW Number: 260201
    Camp Type: Stalag
    Camp Number: IV-D
    Camp Location: Torgau, Saxony
    Record Office: Infantry and Army Physical Training Corps Record Office, Stanwell Road School, Ashford, Middlesex
    Record Office Number: 23

    Direct from WO 392/1
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    TD

    Stalag IV-D - Stalag IV D - Google Search

    This site search - http://ww2talk.com/index.php?search/1113577/&q=stalag+IV-D&o=relevance
     
  5. Liz. K

    Liz. K Member

    Thanks, is there any more information I can find on the back of that?
     
  6. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Re member

    Yes - use the links provided by Tullybrone in your intro thread, that will tell you more - also whenn you upload the service records make them as large as possible, probab;y better to use a computer than a phone, most of us are aged so poor eyesight dont you know

    TD
     
  7. Liz. K

    Liz. K Member

    The pictures are very clear on my Phone just too large file wise
     
  8. Incredibledisc

    Incredibledisc Well-Known Member

    Do you have an account with Flickr or other photo sharing site? You could upload photos to that and post link here.

    Another alternative that might work is to upload photos to the gallery section of this website - I think it is a bit more forgiving for large files.
     
  9. Liz. K

    Liz. K Member

    I'll have a look into it once the kids are in bed
     
  10. bamboo43

    bamboo43 Very Senior Member

    Looks like he began POW life in Italy. Camp 65 was at Gravina.
    This is taken from WO392/21 at the National Archives and lists POW's held by the Italian's as of August 1943. I must inform you that this file can contain errors and it could well be that your Great Grandfather was held at other camps in Italy before this point.

    Boyden Buffs.jpg
     
  11. bamboo43

    bamboo43 Very Senior Member

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  12. Mr Jinks

    Mr Jinks Bit of a Cad

    If he was captured in December 1941 I dont think he was with the 4th Buffs? 1st or 2nd Battalion(s) perhaps?
    There`s something in the Newspaper Archive from 1945 regarding ;-
    Mr. Walter. Albert Boyden, third son of Mrs. A. M. Boyden, of 8, Churchbury Road, Enfield, Middlesex ? Same one perhaps?
    Kyle
     
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  13. Liz. K

    Liz. K Member

    That's him I'll see if I can get these pics uploaded
     
  14. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Re member

    All London, England, Electoral Registers
    Walter Albert Boyden 1938 Enfield Enfield West 8 Churchbury Road

    Walter Albert Boyden 1939 Enfield Enfield 8

    Walter Albert Boyden 1945 Enfield Potters Bar

    TD
     
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  15. Liz. K

    Liz. K Member

    I got a reply from the national archives about info they hold on him, they have only 3 pages containing his name so I'm just waiting for the digital images to come through and I will share them with you
     
  16. Tullybrone

    Tullybrone Senior Member

    Hi,

    Did you make a FOI request for his POW Index Card from captured German Archives or have you paid for a copy of his POW Liberation Questionnaire?

    Looking forward to see the documents.

    Steve
     
  17. Liz. K

    Liz. K Member

    I'm not entirely sure what I asked for, just submitted a request for his name
     

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  18. Tullybrone

    Tullybrone Senior Member

    Hi,

    With the WO/344 NA reference it’ll be the 3 page Liberated POW Questionnaire. Members won’t be aware that they are available via NA copying service but cost of over £8 is a bit much for 3 pages but typical of NA charges - probably no consolation to you but the members here who offer a look up and copying service would likely have done it for 10/20% of NA charge.

    Steve
     
    Last edited: May 18, 2018 at 8:48 PM
  19. Liz. K

    Liz. K Member

    Ugh, typical. Where can I get the PoW index card bits from? Is that another service the members can provide?
     
  20. Tullybrone

    Tullybrone Senior Member

    Hi,

    Have a look through this topic -

    TNA started cataloguing records of POW’s in Germany

    I think NA have stopped FOI requests (free service) while they Index this series and start to make exorbitant charges (as you’ve discovered) for their copying service per individual record.

    I’d wait for his Red Cross Papers before chasing his German Index Card. In my father’s case it merely duplicated the information I’d obtained from Red Cross and his Questionnaire from Kew - albeit in German script which would’ve been largely indecipherable to me without the English records from the other sources.

    Steve
     
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