49th LAA Regt and also 1st Div Uniform Patches

Discussion in 'Royal Artillery' started by JamieC, Dec 27, 2015.

  1. Ron Goldstein

    Ron Goldstein WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    Giberville

    Thanks for showing us the pic of the Bofor, I haven't seen it before.

    With reference to your comment that the site was exposed, in my experience they were always exposed in this manner as they needed to have 100% allround view of thieir targets at the obvious risk of their own exposure.

    Ron
     
  2. JamieC

    JamieC Junior Member

    Anthony, nice pics thanks for sharing!
    Which battery was your uncle with? I'm just having a photo professionally restored where my grandfather is pictured with a hundred or so other servicemen. I'm not quite sure if it's from his basic training or one of the 49th batteries before being shipped off to war. Will share it as soon as it's ready (i'm told a couple of weeks).
     
  3. JamieC

    JamieC Junior Member

    here's a portion of how it looks right now. i'm told they can make it look ten times better.
     

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  4. Giberville

    Giberville Junior Member

    Jamie,
    My uncle was in 280 Battery. He arrived in North Africa 8.11.42 and served with 49th LAA in Sicily and Italy. I have his records. One interesting item he gave me as a child was an Algerian banknote signed by all his gun crew. I researched the names and found that 2 of them were killed during the war. I would very much like to find out what happened. The war diary does not record their death.

    I have another photo showing a Bofors...
     

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  5. JamieC

    JamieC Junior Member

    hmmm... interesting. i'm starting to believe more and more that my grandad was with the 90th battery as you mention your uncle was with the 280th and his recorded date of arrival is 8.11.42 and my grandfather arrived 22.11.42. I'm currently reading Ken Ford's book and it mention's 3 waves of initial landings.... i guess the 90th landed with the 3rd wave.
     
  6. JamieC

    JamieC Junior Member

    btw...great pic of the bofors! What was your uncle's job? in charge of firing? Imagine the kick coming of that thing! I would guess my grandfather was a driver, since he was in a DVR TNG battalion for basic training...
     
  7. Giberville

    Giberville Junior Member

    Jamie,

    I will be interested to see your photo when it is ready.

    One of the casualties from my uncle's pals (Gnr Richardson) was buried in Catania cemetery in Sicily. I visited in 2005 and took this photo. I wonder if any of his relatives are still alive?

    I have been trying to find my notes/war diary entries for the landings to help you out but I am having no luck (I have piles of research). If I find them I will post. I would imagine that a battery would arrive together, although different elements (90 battery, RHQ etc) may have landed on different days.

    My uncle was a sergeant in command of a Bofors gun (at least that it what I am led to believe). I am relying a lot on remembered conversations from the 1980s when I was a boy! I remember my uncle coming for Christmas most years and I would pester him to tell me about his war experiences. Not surprisingly he wasn't very keen.

    Anthony
     

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  8. JamieC

    JamieC Junior Member

    does anyone know if 1st Division wore a similar kind of patch? If so what did it look like?
     
  9. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    yes a white triangle


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    badge, formation, 1st Infantry Division & 2nd Infantry Brigade. © IWM (INS 5342)IWM Non Commercial Licence


     
  10. JamieC

    JamieC Junior Member

    Thanks, i'm looking for the combination of 11th Bn Lancs Fusiliers as part of the 1st infantry division in 1944-45. Just a basic white triangle or something like a combination below?
     
  11. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    11 Lancs Fus were in 66 Bde.
    That was the junior brigade of the division at the time so under the white triangle they should have worn 3 red horizontal stripes .
    whether that actually did needs to be confirmed by photo evidence.
     
  12. JamieC

    JamieC Junior Member

    just bought one off ebay which is a white triangle on a red background. Do you know if that was typical?
     

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  13. Staffsyeoman

    Staffsyeoman Member

    The red (and other colours) around the triangle came in 1943. Red represented Staff and Infantry; other variants known are yellow (armour), blue (signals) blue/yellow vertical (RASC).
     
  14. JamieC

    JamieC Junior Member

    Anthony,

    Here's the photo "almost" restored. The restorer still needs to work on the brightness and give me a digital copy. This is just a scanned copy to 600 dpi

    So I am "guessing" this is a picture of 90th Bty of the 49th LAA prior to being shipped overseas. I'm still trying to figure out where it was taken. Likely to be somewhere in Suffolk or then Scotland (possibly) Arbroath. The other guess is 280th Bty of the 49th LAA. I counted 276 men (8 officers and 268 ORs)

    Can anyone identify that building?

    Jamie
     

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  15. minden1759

    minden1759 Senior Member

    Jamie.

    I suspect that the writing in the Service Record could be 2 rather than 11. 2 Lancs Fusiliers was a battalion in 78 Inf Div and that would logically be where he would go. There was not 11 Lancs Fus in Italy.

    Regards

    Frank
     
  16. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Oh yes there was.
    66 Bde 1 Div.
    see my old thread here
    http://ww2talk.com/forums/topic/2920-11th-bn-lancashire-fusiliers/
     
  17. Paul Reed

    Paul Reed Ubique

    Indeed, as Owen says they served with 1st Division.

    War Diary for them at TNA too.
     
  18. JamieC

    JamieC Junior Member

    Yes was with 11 Lancs, 66th Bdg in late '44, after transferring from the artillery (after a short illness). He was shipped over to Haifa with 1st Div where he spent the remainder of the war and until July 1946 between Palestine and Egypt with 11th Lancs and later 1st Div Sigs.
     
  19. Giberville

    Giberville Junior Member

    Jamie,

    Thanks for posting the picture of the battery - it looks like it has been restored well. The building is very distinctive, perhaps someone will recognise it? A rare photo - perhaps it is possible to email it so I can see the faces, uniforms clearly when you have a digital copy?

    Anthony
     
  20. JamieC

    JamieC Junior Member

    Here's the final version.
     

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