4455543 Albert Noble & 4452916 James Palmer, 8th Bn DLI, 21st May 1940

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  1. russ tobin

    russ tobin Member

    Currently researching two men from the same village killed in action on the same day whilst serving with the 8th Bn DLI on the 21/5/1940.

    Anyone have access to the war diaries for the 8th Bn DLI for this date?

    Thanks in advance for any replies.
     
  2. russ tobin

    russ tobin Member

    Currently researching two men from the same village killed in action on the same day whilst serving with the 8th Bn DLI on the 21/5/1940.

    Anyone have access to the war diaries for the 8th Bn DLI for this date?

    Thanks in advance for any replies.


    [Mod edit, dbf: duplicate threads merged]
     
  3. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    Hi Russ

    Would suggest you dont double up on threads otherwise members wont know which one to post against, maybe Mods/Admin will sort it out.

    One of the first questions - what documetary evidence do you have that they were in the DLI - is it possible they were transferred in it?, they may have only been in that Bn a few days before they were killed, all the War Diary will tell you was that they were killed on that day and will be noted as OR (other ranks) it is highly unlikely they will be actually mentioned by name unles they were Officers
    This is why the most important move on any research of a soldier is to obtain their service records, this is the framework of truth onto which all other details can be attached

    TD
     
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  4. russ tobin

    russ tobin Member

    Thanks TD I wasn't sure which forum to post in. I have the service numbers and CWGC registrations for both men and they were both from the same village. I realise that OR's aren't normally mentioned in Diaries but It would help to pinpoint exactly where they were at the time they were killed.
     
  5. Mr Jinks

    Mr Jinks Bit of a Cad

    Name them . If you want information ask but give as much as you know that way people wont repeat or duplicate what you already have ? As a guess are we talking about Snowball and Palmer,South Hetton ?

    Kyle
     
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  6. russ tobin

    russ tobin Member

    Thanks Kyle It's been awhile since I did any research...

    The men are Albert Noble 4455543 Casualty
    and James Palmer 4452916 Casualty
    both from South Hetton.

    Both died on the 21st May 1940 and are remembered with honour at the Wanquetin memorial.
     
  7. Mr Jinks

    Mr Jinks Bit of a Cad

    Sorry Russ,
    Took the wrong lad from the list of 17, 8th DLI casualties for the 21st May (Snowball is commemorated on the memorial with no details listed ) I`ve sent an email off to someone who may know a little more but I will await their reply.

    Thanks

    Kyle
     
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  8. Tony56

    Tony56 Member Patron

    Try the Durham County Record Office:

    War Diaries (Ref: D/DLI 2/8/1-6)

    Ref: D/DLI 2/8/1
    War diary of the 8th Battalion, The Durham Light Infantry, 1 September 1939 - 29 June 1940

    Ref: D/DLI 2/8/2
    War diary of the 8th Battalion, The Durham Light Infantry, 2 July 1940 - 30 April 1941

    Ref: D/DLI 2/8/3
    War diary of the 8th Battalion, The Durham Light Infantry, 1 September 1941 - 31 August 1943

    Ref: D/DLI 2/8/4
    War diary of the 8th Battalion, The Durham Light Infantry, 1 September 1943 - 31 March 1944

    Ref: D/DLI 2/8/5
    War diary (duplicate copy) of the 8th Battalion, The Durham Light Infantry, 1 April 1944 - 30 April 1945; 1 July - 30 November 1945; 1 - 15 January 1946

    Ref: D/DLI 2/8/6
    Copy war diary of the 8th Battalion, The Durham Light Infantry, 1 December 1941 - 30 September 1942; and 1 August - 28 December 1944

    They can copy for you:
    Copying service - Durham Record Office
     
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  9. Steve Mac

    Steve Mac Very Senior Member

    This was the date of the Arras counter-attack carried out by the 151st Infantry Brigade, of which the 8th Bn Durham Light Infantry was a member Battalion.

    There are quite a few threads on this forum that mention the counter-attack, this being one: The Halt Order

    And the wiki piece on it here: 50th (Northumbrian) Infantry Division - Wikipedia

    Best,

    Steve.
     
  10. Mr Jinks

    Mr Jinks Bit of a Cad

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    Reply received

    Kyle
     
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  11. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    For Information:

    1939 England and Wales Register
    Name: Albert S Noble
    Gender: Male
    Marital status: Single
    Birth Date: 5 Mar 1920
    Residence Year: 1939
    Address: 9 Railway Terrace
    Residence Place: Easington, Durham, England
    Occupation: Batt Army DLL 4455543 [Shows 11 Batt DLI Army 4455543]
    Schedule Number: 212
    Sub Schedule Number: 4
    Enumeration District: FHJD
    Registration district: 552-3
    Inferred Father: Thomas Noble
    Inferred Mother: Sarah A Noble

    tna_r39_2855_2855a_021.jpg

    So at some point during 1939 and early 1940 he moved from 11 Bn to 8 Bn

    TD
     
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  12. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    For Information

    Tried searching for James but found nothing and its because his record is closed

    1939 England and Wales Register
    Name: Isabella Palmer
    Gender: Female
    Marital status: Married
    Birth Date: 11 Apr 1879
    Residence Year: 1939
    Address: 12
    Residence Place: Easington, Durham , England
    Occupation: House Duties
    Schedule Number: 215
    Sub Schedule Number: 2
    Enumeration District: FHJD
    Registration district: 552-3
    Inferred Spouse: James Palmer
    Household Members:
    Name
    James Palmer
    Isabella Palmer
    This record is officially closed. [I believe this to be James Palmers record]
    Isabella P Liddle
    tna_r39_2855_2855a_021.jpg

    TD
     
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  13. russ tobin

    russ tobin Member

    Thank you so much Kyle and TD this is amazing information - I'm really grateful.
     
  14. Mr Jinks

    Mr Jinks Bit of a Cad

    Just the messenger Russ. :)

    Kyle
     

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