44 Sqdn ORB's, Sgt Hulbert crew

Re Terence Lansdowne Awcock
I'll see if I can find anything but spidge is a whiz with his fellow RAAF men so he may be able to give a better answer.
Crash site given as Roxheim bei Worms I make that a small place Bobenheim-Roxheim, near (6km) Worms in Germany, on the west bank of the Rhine from Mannheim..
Given that take off was 20:44 and crashed at 01:30, 5 hours later it had probably dropped its bombs and was on return leg (but check of 01:30 was German Time which may mean a different conclusion).

Given that only F/Off Donald Stephen Wade was identified could mean that he was found in the wreckage but no other crew either found or identified. Given that RAAF uniforms were different to RAF, had any crew been aboard, I feel that the Germans would have been able to at least recover the remains and establish who were RAAF and RAF. The fact that none seem to have been found is a little puzzling.

Where no crew have been udentified usually can be inferred that they were destroyed when the bomb load went up on impact, but identifying the pilot argues against that. However, we then have 6 missing crew who appear never to have been found at all.....

Of course, they may have graves but Known Unto God

CORRECTION: It looks as if Hourigan the rear dunner has been identified and is also in Reichswald
HOURIGAN, IVAN PATRICK. Rank: Flying Officer. Service No: 410668. Date of Death: 12/09/1944. Age: 22.
Regiment/Service: Royal Australian Air Force
Grave Reference: 20. F. 1. Cemetery: REICHSWALD FOREST WAR CEMETERY.
Additional Information:Son of Timothy John and Bridget Agnes Hourigan, of Warrnambool, Victoria, Australia.

The graves aren't adjacent indicating they weren't together and rear gunners were usually able to bale out pretty quickly by rotating the turret and leaning back through the door.

Maybe the CWGC may have records of where they were initially buried. If both were close to Roxheim, were any others recovered as Unkknowns?

I hope you already know of this plaque, which seems to show him the first alphabetically above Armitt (but that just may be an Aussie alphabet!) http://www.knoxetal.com/raf/Dunholme_Lodge_William_Farr_School.pdf

 

Hi Guys,

Could we please go back to topic???? Thank you very much.
Adrian

 

What's NOT on topic?
You entitled the thread as 44 Squadron ORB's and from way back on Post #3 (June 2011) there were enquiries for other 44 Sqdn crew ORB info.....

If you wish this thread to be solely dedicated to Sgt Hulberts crew, then please raise this with the Mods who may be able to split the "offending" posts away from your thread.

However, it does seem to be magnet for those looking for more info on 44 Sqdn members so there might be some as yet undiscovered snippets that may be relevant to you...

I'm more concerned with helping people with their enquiries than the niceties as to whether it's on the "correct" thread or not.

Where possible we do try to encourage people to start their own threads and not piggy back on others that are NOT appropriate, but with you having opened it as for 44 Sqdn I think people have responded to that, rather than the specific crew.

Your call.....