4 Border Regiment May 1940

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  1. Deacs

    Deacs Well i am from Cumbria. Patron

    Cheers for the offer Jos will sort what i want and let you no. A work mate of mine is lending me the Book (When Dragons Flew) and i am looking forward to reading it.
    You probably know Mike McKenzie the photographer for the Whitehaven News and that his dad is in the book and is one of the survivors of Arnhem.

    Michael.
     
  2. ritsonvaljos

    ritsonvaljos Senior Member

    Cheers for the offer Jos will sort what i want and let you no. A work mate of mine is lending me the Book (When Dragons Flew) and i am looking forward to reading it.
    You probably know Mike McKenzie the photographer for the Whitehaven News and that his dad is in the book and is one of the survivors of Arnhem.

    Michael.

    Yes. Mike often takes photos of the Remembrance weekend, veterans reunions and such like.

    All being well, later this year there should be a talk to the Friends of Whitehaven Museum about the Border Regiment at Arnhem. At the moment you may know there are doubts about the continued opening times and future of The Beacon (museum) .... but hopefully things will work out OK.
     
  3. Alucard

    Alucard Member

    Hi Ritsonvaljos,

    Re Pte. George Cartmell.

    Taking an educated guess, I would suggest that 3598388 Pte George Cartmell of the 4th Battalion of the Border Regiment ended up in a POW camp in the area of Ober Silesia, Poland. I would also suggest that he had initially been buried elsewhere prior to being moved to Krakow.

    The 4th Battalion's activities took place westward of the Dunkirk area and outside the eventual encirclement there, so they were not involved with the withdrawal in that ever decreasing encirclement.
    It is documented that the 4th Battalion's first engagement with the enemy happened on 24th May 1940 in the area of the River Somme. From this date they were involved in regular engagements with the enemy, with a brief punctuation, when during which they were re - equipted. Their last significant encounter appears to have been at Fecampe, Normandy, on 10th / 11th June. Finally, they were in the evacuation from the Cherbourg area, which began on 17th June. Along this time line they had become units of / attachments to - Beauforce, / Beauman Division, / 51st Highland Division, / Arkforce.

    I hope this is useful. Do you happen to know which Company he was with ?
     
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  4. BFBSM

    BFBSM Very Senior Member

    I have just come to this thread, thank to a link from Deacs, and looked up this chap as an item of interest in the Casualty Lists available on FindMyPast. I found a list of a number of 4th Border members, designated as missing, the list is transcribed below:

    4th Bn. , The Border Regiment.
    3600440 CAIRNS Pte, T.D. 6/10.6.40.
    3600937 GANT Pte. R.S. 6/10.6.40.
    3600188 CAPSTICK Pte, R.S. 6/10.6.40
    3598277 CARR L/Cpl. W.H. 6/10.6.40
    3598388 CARTMEL Pte. G 6/10.6.40
    3597957 GATON Pte. A. 6/10.6.40
    3595019 CHAPELHOW Pte. J.E. 6/10.6.40
    3599932 CLEASBY Pte. T.A. 6/10.6.40
    3599395 COLLIN Pte. G.D. 6/10.6.40
    3599929 HEAP Pte. J 6/10.6.40
    3597320 HEAP Pte. J.A. 6/10.6.40
    3593699 HEIGH Pte. J. 6/10.6.40
    3599680 HEIGH Pte. L. 6/10.6.40
    3600135 HEWER Pte. W.W. 6/10.6.40
    3595417 HEYES Pte. F. 6/10.6.40
    3600760 HEYWOOD Pte. J. 6/10.6.40
    3600761 HIGGINSON, Pte. 6/10.6.40.
    3595831 HILTON, Sjt. 6/10.6.40.
    3599891 HILTON, Pte. 6/10.6.40.
    3600309 HODGSON, Pte, 6/10.6.40.
    3600789 HOEY, Pte. 6/10.6.40.

    Looking at Shears' history, on page 59, it would appear these could well have been members of D Company at Incheville.

    Details can be found in this post by Alan Steward from 2016:

    One should specifically look at the attachments shown above: http://ww2talk.com/index.php?attachments/149884/ and http://ww2talk.com/index.php?attachments/149885/.

    Mark
     
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