3654460 Private Peter Josepth John Carroll, 1st Bn. South Lancashire Regiment

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  1. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot 1940 Obsessive

    Having obtained the 1st South Lancashire's War Diary I can now reasonably confirm that a family friend on Andrea's side, Andrea's Great Uncles best mate who served in the battalion with him, was killed by Geram artillery fire.

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    :poppy: CWGC - Casualty Details :poppy:

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    We visited his grave a few years ago when the cemetery was being re-devoloped and placed a cross at his grave.

    The message on the cross reads:

    From your best mates family, The O'Neils.

    Fought together but never survived together.
    :poppy:




    Thanks to Geoff's SE I suspect these are the eight casualties listed in the battalions war diary.

    001 CARROLL PJJ 3654460 1ST BN 29/05/1940 SOUTH LANCASHIRE REGIMENT
    002 CONNOR W 3654407 1ST BN 29/05/1940 SOUTH LANCASHIRE REGIMENT
    003 CUMMINS T 3649622 1ST BN 30/05/1940 SOUTH LANCASHIRE REGIMENT
    004 DEAKIN WW 3654524 1 ST BN 31/05/1940 SOUTH LANCASHIRE REGIMENT
    005 HENDERSON R 3651065 1ST BN 31/05/1940 SOUTH LANCASHIRE REGIMENT
    006 JOHNSON R 3653253 1ST BN 31/05/1940 SOUTH LANCASHIRE REGIMENT
    007 JOPSON A 3647464 1ST BN 31/05/1940 SOUTH LANCASHIRE REGIMENT
    008 MURPHY WE 3650143 1ST BN 31/05/1940 SOUTH LANCASHIRE REGIMENT
     
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  2. Pete Keane

    Pete Keane Senior Member

    What was Andreas Gt Uncles name (so i dont lose track!).

    Pete
     
  3. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot 1940 Obsessive

    Andrew O'Neil and her other grandfather was James Brenand. I've yet to scan their records yet. Both were with this battalion in 39/40 but for some reason I haven't quite figured out yet why James stayed in the UK.

    Since posting we have discussed via service records - Only Andrew O'Neill was with 1 South Lancs in 1940.
     
  4. Pete Keane

    Pete Keane Senior Member

    I'm familiar with James, you've already done a lot on him I recall.

    Andrew O'Neill is currently unresearched if I've remembered correctly.

    This site needs a 'threads i'm interested in' facility, or I need to start bookmarking stuff.

    The poppy cross was a nice touch, probably not had too many visitors over the years.

    Regards

    Pete
     
  5. dbf

    dbf Moderatrix MOD

    This site needs a 'threads i'm interested in' facility, or I need to start bookmarking stuff.


    Pete you can subscribe to any thread, without having to post on it, by going to the top right banner and choosing Subscribe to this thread from Thread Tools

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    Then you will always be able to check it on your list of subscribed threads under User CP.




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  6. Pete Keane

    Pete Keane Senior Member

    yep, thats exactly what I need....

    ta.
     
  7. englandphil

    englandphil Very Senior Member

    In Memory of
    Private THOMAS CUMMINS

    3649622, 1st Bn., South Lancashire Regiment
    who died age 33 on 30 May 1940
    Son of Patrick and Sarah Cummins, of Widnes, Lancashire
    Remembered with honour
    OOSTDUINKERKE COMMUNAL CEMETERY

    Born in 1906 in Widnes, Thomas was one of the five children of Patrick and Sarah Cummins (nee Gillicker). The eldest brother he was born the third child after sisters Margaret and Mary, and later brothers Timothy and Patrick.

    Married in 1902, Thomas’ parents settled in his mother’s hometown of Widnes, living initially at 7 Fisher Street, and later 20 Ellison Street Widnes.

    Educated at St Maries Roman Catholic School. Thomas, choice a military careers and after volunteering for Army service, enlisting with the South Lancashire Regiment in 1928. Posted to India, Thomas served 9 years in the Far East with the Regiment, before returning home, and finding work for a short period of time with Messrs. Thomas Bolton and Sons limited.

    On the outbreak of war, Thomas was called up with the reserves, and posted back to the South Lancashire Regiment serving with the 1st Battalion, who at the time where stationed at Dover, as part of the British fouth Infantry Division.

    CUMMINS. THOMAS, 3649622.jpg

    Thomas Cummins, was one of three Widnes brothers killed in action during WW2
    Panel 7.jpg

    Sergeant PATRICK CUMMINS, 3650169, 1st Bn., King's Own Yorkshire Light Infantry, Who died age 32, On 26 May 1944 - BEACH HEAD WAR CEMETERY, ANZIO
    CUMMINS, PATRICK, 3650169,.jpg

    Gunner TIMOTHY CUMMINS, 1104827, 8 Medium Regt., Royal Artillery, Who died age 34 - IMPHAL WAR CEMETERY

    CUMMINS, TIMOTHY.jpg
     
  8. englandphil

    englandphil Very Senior Member

    The other 6 casualties listed by Drew

    CONNOR. WILLIAM, 3654407.jpg
    In Memory of
    Private WILLIAM CONNOR
    3654407, 1st Bn., South Lancashire Regiment
    who died age 20, on 29 May 1940
    Remembered with honour
    OOSTDUINKERKE COMMUNAL CEMETERY

    View attachment 46504
    In Memory of
    Private WILFRED WILLIAM DEAKIN
    3654524, 1st Bn., South Lancashire Regiment
    who died age 20, on 31 May 1940
    Remembered with honour
    OOSTDUINKERKE COMMUNAL CEMETERY

    HENDERSON. ROBERT, 3651065.jpg
    In Memory of
    Private ROBERT HENDERSON
    3651065, 1st Bn., South Lancashire Regiment
    who died age 28, on 31 May 1940
    Remembered with honour
    OOSTDUINKERKE COMMUNAL CEMETERY

    View attachment 46502
    In Memory of
    Private RALPH JOHNSON
    3653253, 1st Bn., South Lancashire Regiment
    who died age 21, on 31 May 1940
    Son of John and Amelia Johnson; nephew of Mrs. M. A. Heathman, of Winnington, Northwich, Cheshire.
    Remembered with honour
    OOSTDUINKERKE COMMUNAL CEMETERY

    JOPSON. ARTHUR, 3647464.jpg
    In Memory of
    Private ARTHUR JOPSON
    3647464, 1st Bn., South Lancashire Regiment
    who died age 37, on 31 May 1940
    Remembered with honour
    OOSTDUINKERKE COMMUNAL CEMETERY

    MURPHY. WILLIAM EDWARD, 3650143.jpg
    In Memory of
    Warrant Officer Class II WILLIAM EDWARD MURPHY
    3650143, 1st Bn., South Lancashire Regiment
    who died age 41, on 31 May 1940
    Son of Edward and Fanny Murphy; husband of Violet Mathilda Murphy, of Plymouth.
    Remembered with honour
    OOSTDUINKERKE COMMUNAL CEMETERY
     
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  9. PaulineBrook

    PaulineBrook Junior Member

    The other 6 casualties listed by Drew

    View attachment 46083
    In Memory of
    Private WILLIAM CONNOR
    3654407, 1st Bn., South Lancashire Regiment
    who died age 20, on 29 May 1940
    Remembered with honour
    OOSTDUINKERKE COMMUNAL CEMETERY

    View attachment 46082
    In Memory of
    Private WILFRED WILLIAM DEAKIN
    3654524, 1st Bn., South Lancashire Regiment
    who died age 20, on 31 May 1940
    Remembered with honour
    OOSTDUINKERKE COMMUNAL CEMETERY

    View attachment 46081
    In Memory of
    Private ROBERT HENDERSON
    3651065, 1st Bn., South Lancashire Regiment
    who died age 28, on 31 May 1940
    Remembered with honour
    OOSTDUINKERKE COMMUNAL CEMETERY

    View attachment 46080
    In Memory of
    Private RALPH JOHNSON
    3653253, 1st Bn., South Lancashire Regiment
    who died age 21, on 31 May 1940
    Son of John and Amelia Johnson; nephew of Mrs. M. A. Heathman, of Winnington, Northwich, Cheshire.
    Remembered with honour
    OOSTDUINKERKE COMMUNAL CEMETERY

    View attachment 46079
    In Memory of
    Private ARTHUR JOPSON
    3647464, 1st Bn., South Lancashire Regiment
    who died age 37, on 31 May 1940
    Remembered with honour
    OOSTDUINKERKE COMMUNAL CEMETERY

    View attachment 46078
    In Memory of
    Warrant Officer Class II WILLIAM EDWARD MURPHY
    3650143, 1st Bn., South Lancashire Regiment
    who died age 41, on 31 May 1940
    Son of Edward and Fanny Murphy; husband of Violet Mathilda Murphy, of Plymouth.
    Remembered with honour
    OOSTDUINKERKE COMMUNAL CEMETERY



    My grandfather was Arthur Jopson. I am astounded by the information I have found on this site. My father managed to visit his grave some years ago but never gave us much information on where the cemetery was, only to say it was in Belgium. It was only after typing my grandad's name into google (out of interest!!!) that I was put onto this site. And how glad I am. My father was only a young lad when my grandad died and he didn't seem to know an awful lot about how his father was killed. I am now planning to visit his grave next year and I am so glad for all the information I have got from here. My father died five years ago and I really want to make the journey in memory of him and to pay my respects to the brave soldiers who fought for us. God bless you all and thank you for the research and information that you have put on this site.

    Pauline Brook
     
  10. Rich Payne

    Rich Payne Rivet Counter Patron 1940 Obsessive

    Pauline, I haven't posted on this thread which is unusual for one in the 1940 section, but I thought I'd say thanks for posting the personal information. For many of us, this research is something of a hobby, although we all approach it from different angles.

    What we're all trying to do, I suspect, is in some way to come closer to the past and providing descendants with information that allows them to fill in some of the gaps is one of those things that makes it worthwhile.

    The whole process is of course greatly assisted by the internet and the advent of digital photography which allow the collection and dissemination of information in a way that we could never have imagined possible only a few years ago.

    If your research into your Grandfather raises any further questions, please don't hesitate to ask (Have you applied for his service records yet ?) and don't forget to report back (with photos please !) when you've visited Oostduinkerke. It's only just up the road from Calais and there are plenty of places to enjoy seafood and waffles !

    Rich
     
  11. Cisse

    Cisse Member

    Hi Pauline,

    Any help needed,just let me know, I'm living about 4 miles from the cemetery. You need to take junction 3 on the motorway (Nieuwpoort).
    I'm more than happy to help you with directions our anything else.
    Just let me know.
    All the best,
    Cris

    Also, if you want our anyone else to have some pictures, let me know.
     
  12. PaulineBrook

    PaulineBrook Junior Member

    Thank you so much Cris.
    I will contact you nearer the time. I am hoping to go over for the anniversary of my grandfather's death (31st May), but it depends on when we are off from work. I was very touched to see a photograph of his grave and it has made me more determined to go and pay my respects to him.

    Pauline
     
  13. PaulineBrook

    PaulineBrook Junior Member

    Hi Rich,

    Thank you for that. How do I apply for his service records? The only thing that we have left of our grandad is the telegram that my grandma received informing her of his death. I will try to scan it and post it on the site (unfortunately I'm not very technically minded!!). We are planning to go over in May and I will take some photographs to post on the site.
    I am still a bit overwhelmed by the information I have discovered. As are the rest of the family. Amazing!!

    Regards

    Pauline
     
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