3 Panzer- Grenadier Division- 3 Infanterie Division( mot.)

Discussion in 'Axis Units' started by Stuart Avery, Jan 19, 2019.

  1. Stuart Avery

    Stuart Avery In my wagon & not a muleteer.

    I need some help with these two tablets below if possible? I only have the war diaries of the I London Scottish for Jan-Mar 44! In the Regimental History Of The London Scottish in the Second World War 1939-45 by C.N. Barclay it says the following on page 130:

    While in this area the Division was honoured by a visit from His Majesty King George VI, who, in talking to Lt Col Law, promised to convey the Battalion's loyal greetings to their Honorary Colonel, Her Majesty the Queen. The Pipes and Drums played in Rome and attracted great attention. The Battalion was also represented at a (Memorial Service in the English Church of All Saints) in Rome, where a tablet was unveiled to the fallen of the 1st Division, whom the Battalion had fought at Anzio. I'm looking for the exact date has to when these truly unique tablets was unveiled. I was not present when a nice chap took the photos of them. Frank, I'm glad you did.

    I've looked at the Anglican Church Rome Website & I cant see the info I'm looking for! The one other diary that I've read for the month of June, 44 is the 1 DWR ( Duke of Wellington's Regiment). I could be missing something. I will need to read it again &the answer is probably within them.

    Regards,
    Stu.
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  2. Gary Tankard

    Gary Tankard Well-Known Member

    It was the end of July:

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  3. Stuart Avery

    Stuart Avery In my wagon & not a muleteer.

    You have not said which date. I was beginning to think you was on the wrong month till I read the diaries of 1 DWR for July 44.:smug:
    I don't need anymore detail than what's below. Thanks for your time. Its only taken me few years to find this info. The Adjutant doing his job has he should.

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    Regards,
    Stu.
     
  4. Gary Tankard

    Gary Tankard Well-Known Member

    I said end of July and then posted the page showing the dates? :unsure:
     
  5. Stuart Avery

    Stuart Avery In my wagon & not a muleteer.

    I was not having a dig at you.;) You just made me read the following month war diaries.

    Stu.
     
  6. Stuart Avery

    Stuart Avery In my wagon & not a muleteer.

    Any one would think that Brigadier C. N. Barclay, C.B.E., D.S.O., would have read the diaries of the 1 DWR. Not for me to question a Brigadier. Or, is it? He also edited The History of The Duke Of Wellington's Regiment 1919-1952. Of which (he makes) no mention of the tablet/ tablets that I can see. He also edited the London Scottish In the Second World War-1939 TO 1945.

    The latter was complied under the direction & supervision of the Regimental History Committee. The former was produced under the direction of the Regimental Council, The Duke of Wellington's Regiment. Will have a read of the 1KSLI diaries for the month of July.

    It may give some more detail..

    Regards,
    Stu.
     
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  7. Stuart Avery

    Stuart Avery In my wagon & not a muleteer.

    Bingo: One happy chap. Its great when you start reading what you have on your book shelf, or laptop. Page 217:

    THE HISTORY OF THE CORPS OF THE KING'S SHROPSHIRE LIGHT INFANTRY. Volume 3 - 1881-1968. More detail.


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  8. Stuart Avery

    Stuart Avery In my wagon & not a muleteer.

    The Icing on the cake. WO 170-1416 1 King's Shropshire Light Infantry war diary Jan-Dec 1944. One can never have enough detail. Click on files if needed. Hats off to the Adjutant. I should have shown the last file first.


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    Regards,
    Stu.
     
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  9. Stuart Avery

    Stuart Avery In my wagon & not a muleteer.

    Hi to all that are following this ongoing thread. Page 290. Nice one Pieter. Its only taken me a while to read it.. Ok.. Post 98 only;)

    I was reading the translation that Pieter has kindly done. On his post 98 It says the following of which the name is important to me.

    The 1st British Division engaged the 1st Irish Guards west of the Anziate (Anzio-Albano Road) and the 1st Scottish Guards east ward. The first objective of the attack is the Osteriaccia crossroads north of Campolone station, from where the main push is to begin. The division finds out the plan through a order of the 1st British Division, which Lt. Semrau, leader of a combat group of the G.R.29, captures on January 29th. No other author in this campaign mentions this chaps name that I can see!

    The following is from Peter Verney's book page 80. ANZIO 1944: AN UNEXPECTED FURY. This gets on my nerves.

    In fact the plan of attack for 24 Guards Brigade was no secret, for an officer from another regiment had driven forward and repeated the mistake which the Grenadiers' 'O' Group had made. Which b..... officer to start with? The 'O' Group to me is the Officer by the way. Some say Order. Make your mind up. He had run into an ambush. He and his driver had been killed, and on him the Germans had found the orders for the night attack. How about the name of the driver? Also, which regiment? You would of thought that Peter Verney would have found out this important information? He left the army in 1970. The Germans had known precisely when and in which direction the attack was to come: The Irish Guards, in particular, had walked into the trap. The 'Sleepy' Germans--as the Irish Guards described later-- which they had passed through on their way forward to the railway halt, had lain doggo. waiting to attack the Guardsmen from the rear.

    Here is Peter Verney's Acknowledgements: I would particularly like to thank Mrs D. C. C. Dixon for graciously allowing me access to the papers of her late father, Major-General Sir Ronald Penney, KBE,CB,DSO, MC. Sir Ronald Penney may not of made a note of these chaps and the regiment. Which regiment was it, and what are the names? Even Wnyford Vaughan-Thomas does not give any detail. The following pages are from the 5 Grenadier War diary for the 28/29 January. Notice the page numbers that are to left the of the date. A few.
     
  10. Stuart Avery

    Stuart Avery In my wagon & not a muleteer.

    The remaining pages will follow in time. Pressing the wrong key is not advisable when your posting a few files. I'm not even going to try & edit the above. More will follow regarding the Battalion History of the 1 KSLI. I've even posted the files in Thumbnail. Idiot.:mad: Can we not get rid of Thumbnail?

    Regards,
    Stu.
     
  11. stolpi

    stolpi Well-Known Member

    'O' Group to me is the Order-group in which the CO issues his orders for the upcoming operation.
     
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