3.7in AA gun NOT used as AT gun

Discussion in 'Weapons, Technology & Equipment' started by Owen, Jul 12, 2006.

  1. m kenny

    m kenny Senior Member

    Tiger first used in action in September 1942 and Panther in July 1943. The 'hysteria' over these tanks was brief, confined to one front and a curiosity of the summer of 1944.
  2. Richelieu

    Richelieu Well-Known Member

    Accuracy and the risk of counter-battery fire may also have been factors it seems. N.B. the 40mm Bofors was at least trialled in North Africa in an anti-tank role too.

    More on the 3.7in AA in a field gun role can be found here – page left.

    Edit: Just found this - Use of the 3.7″ AA Gun in the Ground Role

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  3. Sheldrake

    Sheldrake Gunner Tours

    Interesting referenced documents, but slightly off topic. These two refer to using the 3.7" AA Gun in the ground role as field artillery rather than in an Anti Tank role of the thread title.

    I have not seen the 70 Div comments in the 8th Army lessons learned document. It is interesting. The use of 3.7" HAA as medium artillery by the Tobruk garrison seems to have been missed by Pemberton (Development of artillery tactics and equipment, 1951). However, Routledge (History of AA) mentions that in the last two months of the siege troops of HAA would be brought forwards for shoots under command CRA 9 Australian Div to supplement the limited medium artillery in the garrison. The comments about anti tank use of AA weapons in the 70 Div document refers to the 40mm bofors rather than 3.7".

    The Canadian report mentions field firing with the two standard AA fuzes No 199 (Time= gunpowder train) and No207 (Mechanical time = clockwork) These are both only suitable for airburst shoots. Neither has a graze or point detonating action. Quite reasonable for an AA Shell. You don't want the ones that don't go off in the air to go bang when they land. Heavy AA in the ground role had different effects than medium artillery.
  4. Richelieu

    Richelieu Well-Known Member

    Thanks for that...

    As clearly indicated, I was responding to Don Juan’s post addressing the deployment of H.E. against ground targets in Italy. As you have evidently discovered, the file that I linked to at Héritage includes a report of such use which may be of interest to Don Juan and others.

    Does it? Or does it merely draw attention to an important limitation of the lighter weapon?
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  5. Listy

    Listy Member

    British intelligence were expecting the Germans to use 100 ton tanks during Sealion. I'm still trying to find out where that intel came from, but I have the end report. The answer was to emplace HAA with grazing fires and plugged rounds on the buffs above likely beaches.

    The net result would be they'd have murdered the few Tauchpanzers that made it ashore.
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  6. SteveDee

    SteveDee Well-Known Member

    A few extracts from the DRAMA report on 59th HAA regt relating to 3.7" HAA guns:-

    On 28 and 29 Oct 1941 detachments of the regt fired anti-tank practice on the Okehampton ranges using guns removed from GS19 and GS20.

    (There seemed to be a rolling AT training program using 3.7" HAA guns for the AA gunners in the 59th during late 1941/early 1942).

    ...and in Italy in 1944:-

    The regt was also to be prepared to engage the enemy on the ground from the Leghorn HAA sites. Target information was passed to btys. Provision was also made for the emergency deployment of one 3.7 from 167
    Bty to be sited as an anti-tank gun for the defence of the canal bridges North of Leghorn.

    ...also used against shipping:-

    On 24 Apr LH2 and LH10 engaged sea targets and were congratulated by Comd 203 Fixed Defences who informed the regt that two enemy vessels had been sunk during the attack on Leghorn Harbour.
  7. DavidW

    DavidW Well-Known Member

    On 28 and 29 Oct 1941 detachments of the regt fired anti-tank practice on the Okehampton ranges using guns removed from GS19 and GS20.

    My home town!
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  8. HAARA

    HAARA Well-Known Member

    Lucca, Italy, 2 April 1945

    "Tanks received two rounds gun fire from all troops at noon, and another similar bombard of one round gun fire 10 minutes later."

    Extract from 76th HAA Regiment news sheet, "The Daily Round"

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