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2717553 Guardsman John BYRNE, Irish Guards: 06/04/1948

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  1. dbf

    dbf Member

    Date of Enlistment: 1 December 1931

    Army Number: 2717553
    Rank: Guardsman
    Name: John BYRNE
    Unit: 2 Irish Guards ; 1 Irish Guards


    Date of Birth: 31 March 1914
    Place of Birth: Gorey, Co. Wexford

    Date of Capture: 24 May 1940
    Place of Capture: Boulogne, France

    POW Number: 5868
    POW Camps: Stalag XXA, Stalag IIIA, Stalag XXID, Stalag IIA
     
    Last edited: Aug 15, 2025
  2. dbf

    dbf Member

    Name: Jack Byrne . Date of Birth: 31/3/1914 . Place of Birth: Gorey . Service: British... | The National Archives
    Reference: WO 416/53/312
    Name: Jack Byrne.
    Date of Birth: 31/3/1914.
    Place of Birth: Gorey.
    Service: British Army.
    Rank: Private.
    Regiment/Unit/Squadron: Irish Guards.
    Service Number: 2717553.
    Date of Capture: 24 May 1940.
    Theatre of Capture: Boulogne, France.
    Camp Name/Number: Stalag XXA Thorn.
    PoW number: 5868.
    Date of Death: [unspecified].
    Number of Photographs: 0.
    Number of Fingerprints: 0.
    Number of X-rays: 0.
    Number of Cards: 2.
    Date: [1939-1945]
     
    Last edited: Apr 19, 2024
  3. dbf

    dbf Member

    General Questionnaire for British Ex-Prisoners of War
    PART I

    1. No.: 2717553
    Rank: Guardsman
    Surname: BYRNE
    Christian Names: John
    Decorations: -

    2. Unit (Army): 2nd Bn. IRISH GUARDS
    3. Division (Army): -

    4. Date of Birth: 31st March 1913
    5. Date of Enlistment: 1st December 1931
    6. Civilian Trade: Shoe Maker
    7. Private Address: 39 William Street, Gorey, Co. Wexford

    8. Place and Date of Capture: 25th May 1940, France

    9. Were you Wounded when Captured: NO

    10. Main Camps or Hospitals in which imprisoned
    Camp No. / Location / From & To
    STALAG XXA / POLAND / JUNE TO AUGUST 1940
    STALAG IIIA / BRANDENBURG / DECEMBER 1940 TO AUGUST 1941
    STALAG XXED / POLAND / AUGUST 1941 TO MAY 1944
    STALAG IIIA BRANDENBURG / MAY 1944 TO APRIL 1945
    STALAG IIA ANNEBURG / APRIL 1945

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    11. Were you in a Working Camp?
    Location / From & To / Nature of Work
    FREISACK / September - December / Canal
    KOSTAN / - - / Sand

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    12. Did you suffer from any Serious Illnesses while a P/W?:
    Nature of Illness / Cause / Duration
    TB Suspect -

    Did you receive adequate Medical Treatment?:
    Treatment never cleared up



    PART II
    1. No.: 2717553
    Rank: Guardsman
    Surname: BYRNE
    Christian Names: John

    2. Lectures before Capture
    (State where, when and by whom)
    (a) Were you lectured in your unit on how to behave in the event of capture?:
    NO
    (b ) Were you lectured on escape and evasion?:
    NO

    3. Interrogation after Capture
    (State where, when and methods employed by enemy)
    Were you specially interrogated by the enemy?:
    I WAS INTERROGATED AND ASKED TO FIGHT FOR GERMANY AND IRELAND AT FRISACK CAMP.
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    4. Escapes attempted.
    Did you make any attempted or party successful escapes?
    (Give details of each attempt separately, stating where, when, method employed, names of your companions, where and when captured and by whom. Were you physically fit? What happened to our companions?)
    I MADE ATTEMPT TO ESCAPE WITH TWO COMPANIONS. ONE HAD TO LEAVE US. HE HAD A BAD FOOT. HIS NAME WAS CORPORAL GALVIN. SERGEANT PATTERSON AND MYSELF WERE RECAPTURED BY THE POLICE. I MADE A SECOND ATTEMPT THE SAME DAY AS I WAS RECAPTURED. I WAS FREE FOR TWO DAYS AND WAS CAUGHT AT THE FRONT BY THE ARMY AT WITTENBURG.
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    5. Sabotage.
    Did you do any sabotage or destruction of enemy factory plant, war material, communications, etc., when employed on working-parties or during escape?
    (Give details, places and dates).
    -

    6. Collaboration with enemy.
    Do you know of any British or American personnel who collaborated with the enemy or in any way helped the enemy against other Allied PoWS?
    (Give details, names of person(s) concerned, camp(s), dates and nature of collaboration or help given to enemy).
    -

    7. War Crimes.
    If you have any information or evidence of bad treatment by the enemy to yourself or to others, or knowledge of any enemy violation of Geneva Convention you should ask for a copy of “Form Q” on which to make your statement.
    -

    8. Have you any other matter of any kind you wish to bring to notice?
    -

    SECURITY UNDERTAKING.
    I fully realised that all information relating to the matters covered by the questions in PART II are of a highly secret and official nature.
    I have had explained to me and fully understand that under Defence Regulations or U.S.A.R. 380-5 I am forbidden to publish or communicate any information concerning these matters.


    Date: 2nd May 1945
    Signature: John Byrne
     
    Last edited: Aug 15, 2025
  4. dbf

    dbf Member

    See also:
    From

    An account of my father's:

    At ARMAGH BARRACKS I 'fell in' with a 'Tabs' BYRNE. There were a couple by that name, one was from Tyrone, but he was from Dublin - I think.
    He was a pre-war Guardsman about 6' 5" and everything that goes with that.
    He was taken POW in 1940 and did 5 years as a prisoner.


    When he came to us he was put in the bunk next to me and the was a great fella. He married an ATS girl from Dublin and she died of cancer. That hit him awful hard. He went out to Palestine and got killed there.

    But when he joined us in Armagh he was getting his gear out next to me, and he took out this oil painting. It was about 2' by 2'. I don't know where it went to, but it was breath-taking.

    The 1st Battalion came back from Palestine in 1938 or so [1st tour] and they went to Paris. The painting - they were marching on the Champs Elysees. Their red tunics on, immaculate.

    I said to Tabs, "Boy I'd love a copy of that"
    He said, "That's one thing I'd never part with"


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  5. dbf

    dbf Member

    Army Number: 2717553
    Rank: Guardsman
    Name: J BYRNE
    Unit: 1 Irish Guards
    GSM & Clasp: GSM, Palestine Clasp 1936 - 1939
    TNA Reference: WO 100/503
     
  6. dbf

    dbf Member

    http://www.veterans-uk.info/afm2/certificate-hi-res.php?SerialNo=X14496
    Surname: BYRNE
    Forenames/Initials: John
    Rank: Gdsm
    Service: Army
    Service Number: 2717553
    Regiment/Corps: IRISH GUARDS
    Date of Birth: 31 March 1913
    Age: 35
    Date of Death: 06 April 1948
    Cemetery Name: Haifa, israel
    Cemetery Address: PALESTINE
    Grave Section: Plot F
    Grave Row: F
    Grave Number: 13
    Included on Armed Forces Memorial: Yes
    Included on Roll of Honour: Yes

    Roll of Honour - Databases - Palestine 1945-1948 - British Casualties - Search Results
    Surname: BYRNE, John
    Rank: Guardsman
    Service No: 2717553
    Regiment: Irish Guards
    Date of death: 6 April 1948
    Age at death: 35
    Died how: Killed as men of the 12th Anti-Tank Regiment, Royal Artillery, were withdrawing from a large camp which the Army were evacuating near Pardes Hanna, north of Hadera, when attacked by Jews. The sentry and three other members of the guard were held up against the guardhouse wall, shot in the back, and killed. The wireless mast was then destroyed and shots fired into the camp, killing one more soldier and mortally injuring the commanding officer. The attackers were believed to be part of the Irgun.
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    Buried or Commemorated: Haifa War Cemetery, Palestine
    Bur or Com Ref: Plot F Row F Grave 13
    Place of birth: Gorey, Co. Wexford
    Biography:
    Born 31 March 1913

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