24th Lancer transfers to the 2nd Fife and Forfars

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  1. Ramiles

    Ramiles Researching 9th Lancers, 24th L and SRY

    After the disbandment of the 24th Lancers, at the end of July 1944, a number of ex-24th Lancers went to the 2nd Fife and Forfars...

    Refs: i.e.
    24th Lancers Regimental Nominal Roll and Postings August 1944

    &

    2nd F&F War Diary -

    "Aug 9th 1944 - This period was spent in reorginising, maintenance and rest. We were now joined by 2 complete troops from the 24th Lancers and one troop from 1st L&B Horse. New officers were Lieut.Fuller, F.W. Lieut. Jewell B.A, Lieut. Munroe A.N.G."

    (Editing in progress ;-)
     
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  2. Ramiles

    Ramiles Researching 9th Lancers, 24th L and SRY

    (Nb - work in progress ;-)

    Officers

    Captain D.W. Voller (HQ squadron 24th L)

    Lieutenant Brian Allan Jewell (3rd Troop, C squadron 24th L)
    Lieutenant Peter Harold Northen aka "Tim" (B? 4th Troop - potentially ?) - wia with the 2 F&F.
    Lieutenant Richard George Tarver (Squadron?)
    Lieutenant Frank William Fuller (5th Troop, B squadron 24th L) - KIA 5/4/1945 - C squadron 2nd F&F - Casualty

    NCOs

    Sergeant Bamford MM, L.E. (A squadron 24th L)
    Sergeant Cornwall, F.J. (B squadron 24th L)
    Sergeant Crow, C.B. (C squadron 24th L) - 270FDS - WIA with 2F&F - 7d9m1944
    Sergeant McMahon, D. (HQ squadron 24th L) - KIA 22/9/1944 - Casualty
    Sergeant Osgerby (HQ squadron 24th L) - 270FDS - WIA with 2F&F - Ref. IWM - Osgerby, Reginald (Oral history)
    Sergeant Robinson, R.E.L. (B squadron 24th L)
    Sergeant Salmon, F.J. (HQ&B squadron 24th L) - WIA with 2F&F
    Sergeant Taylor MM, C. (C squadron 24th L - wia in Normandy - then 2nd F&F later)

    Corporal Crossley, F. (B squadron 24th L) - wia - 21d8m1944
    Corporal Hodge, Edward William (B squadron 24th L) - KIA 24/9/1944 - Casualty
    Corporal Wilson, Harold Oliver (B squadron 24th L) - KIA 21/8/1944 - Casualty
    Lance Corporal Axtell, Arthur George (B squadron 24th L) - KIA 5/4/1945 - Casualty
    Lance Corporal Deacon, E. H. (B squadron 24th L) - wia

    Troopers

    Allart, J. (B squadron 24th L)
    Arnold, H.R. (A squadron 24th L)
    Bayliss, Frederick W. (HQ squadron 24th L) - KIA - 19/4/1945 - Casualty
    Cross, C.G. (C squadron 24th L)
    Cucksey, G. C. (B squadron 24th L)
    Edwards, G. (HQ squadron 24th L)
    Feerick, B. (B squadron 24th L)
    Griffiths, H. L. (HQ squadron 24th L)
    Hallett, Gordon Sidney Arthur (B squadron 24th L) - KIA 2/11/1944 with 2F&F - Casualty Details | CWGC
    Hatton, J. (Joined the 24th L in Normandy?)
    Hulstrom, J.E.I. (B squadron 24th L) - WIA with 2F&F
    Jones, J. (B squadron 24th L) - WIA with 2F&F
    Lines, Leslie Arthur (B squadron 24th L) - KIA - 4/1/1945 & also refd a WIA with 2F&F? - Casualty
    Millward, R.A. (B squadron 24th L)
    Ogg, John (B squadron 24th L) - KIA - 24/9/1944 - Casualty
    Oxley, F. (B squadron 24th L)
    Paget, Thomas (B squadron 24th L) - KIA - 24/9/1944 - Casualty
    Palmer, L. (B squadron 24th L)
    Pound, Edward George (B squadron 24th L) - KIA - 21/8/1944 - Casualty
    Richardson, S. -
    Symonds, H.F. (B squadron 24th L)
    Weatherby, W. (B squadron 24th L)
     
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  3. Ramiles

    Ramiles Researching 9th Lancers, 24th L and SRY

    Re. Paul Harold Northen... (237568)

    ...p39 of "None had Lances" says that he was also known as "Tim"...

    SUPPLEMENT TO THE LONDON GAZETTE, 17 JULY, 1942 p3142
    Lt. Paul Harold NORTHEN (237568)

    (Nb. Varying refs to both Northern and Northen = Northen - correct)

    And...
    Clifton College Register, 1862 to 1962
     
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  4. Firefly44

    Firefly44 Researching the F&FY

    The 2FFY Field Return of Officers for the 12/08/44 lists the following 24L officers having joined from 257 C.D. Sqn

    Lt P.R. Northern, joined 3/08/44 to A Sqn (W.I.A. 21/08/44 near Gace. His name is spelled with the extra r but the return for 26/08/44 when he is listed as wounded has dropped the r. The war diary entry for 9/08/44 which notes him joining spells it correctly)
    Capt. B.L. Frewin, joined 4/08/44 to C Sqn (W.I.A. 22/9/44 at Asten)
    Capt. D.W. Voller, joined 4/08/44 to A Sqn (He was W.I.A. on 10/09/44 near Hechtel but is listed as re-joining again on 13/01/45)
    Lt F.W. Fuller, joined 4/08/44 to C Sqn (K.I.A. 5/04/45 at Glissen)
    Capt. B.A. Jewell, joined 4/08/44 to HQ Sqn (Technical Adjutant)

    I can't see any mention of an R.G. Tarver having joined

    Rob
     
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  5. Firefly44

    Firefly44 Researching the F&FY

    Steele Brownlie refers to Lt Northen being wounded in his memoirs. He also refers to him as Tim.

    21st August
    The country was rough, but we found a bridge intact. Lieut McNinsh was brewed up and wounded, and Tpr Shearer was captured by the enemy group, who withdrew. We went over the bridge, and I fanned out to left, to be fired on from bushes on the riverbank. I brassed up the area, and there was no more trouble. Tim Northen’s troop went right, and his leading tank was hit. The crew baled out unhurt, except for one man left wounded in the turret. Tim dismounted and went to help him, but as he climbed on to the tank the enemy gun fired again, and Tim crawled back with three fingers missing from his right hand.
     
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  6. Ramiles

    Ramiles Researching 9th Lancers, 24th L and SRY

    Re. Richard George TARVER (308995).

    I can't, currently, specifically see a further reference i.e. after August 1944 in the London Gazette.

    From what I can gather I don't think it was known if he was later, for instance wounded, or if he perhaps possibly transferred to another regiment.

    There is a ref... online, that might have been him...

    Surname:TARVER
    First name: Richard
    Middle name(s):George
    Date of death:18 August 2004
    Last address of the deceased - Warwickshire.

    20210203_194926.jpg
     
  7. Ramiles

    Ramiles Researching 9th Lancers, 24th L and SRY

    Remembering today...

    Sergeant Frederick James Cornwall, 319207
    Formerly Commander of the 2nd tank in 3rd Troop of "B" Squadron - 24th Lancers.
    Kia with 2nd Fife and Forfar Yeomanry - 24d9m1944 Casualty Details | CWGC

    Corporal Edward William Hodge, 7903234
    Former gunner / wireless operator - "B" Squadron - 24th Lancers.
    Kia with 2nd Fife and Forfar Yeomanry - 24d9m1944 Casualty Details | CWGC

    Trooper John Ogg, 7943640 Former driver / wireless operator with "B" Squadron - 24th Lancers.
    Kia with 2nd Fife and Forfar Yeomanry - 24d9m1944.
    Casualty Details | CWGC

    Trooper Thomas Paget, 410454 Formerly gunner / mechanic with "B" Squadron - 24th Lancers.
    Kia with 2nd Fife and Forfar Yeomanry - 24d9m1944. Casualty Details | CWGC

    Some pictures and further details here -

    https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=&sl=nl&tl=en&u=https://www.oorlogsslachtoffers.nl/deurne/john-ogg/
     
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  8. Ramiles

    Ramiles Researching 9th Lancers, 24th L and SRY

    Remembering today...

    Trooper Gordon Sidney Arthur Hallett, 14318820

    Formerly a tank gunner in "B" Squadron of the 24th Lancers.

    At the disbandment of the 24th Lancers he was transferred to the 2nd Fife and Forfar Yeomanry.

    Initially it appears that he was reported as wounded with the 2nd Fife and Forfar Yeomanry, however he later appears in the CWGC records...

    Casualty Details | CWGC

    Date of Death - 2d11m1944
    TROOPER GORDON SIDNEY ARTHUR HALLETT
    Service Number: 14318820
    Regiment & Unit/Ship: Royal Armoured Corps, 2nd Fife and Forfar Yeomanry
    Date of Death: 02 November 1944
    Age 20 years old
    Buried or commemorated at MAARHEEZE (STERKSEL MONASTERY) CEMETERY, Row A. Grave 21. Netherlands
    Country of Service: United Kingdom
    Additional Info: Son of Albert Charles and Mabel Ellen Hallett, of Evesham, Worcestershire.
    Personal Inscription: IN PROUD & DEAREST MEMORY OF OUR BOY, NOW RESTING WHERE NO SHADOWS FALL


    Huize Providentia - Sterksel - TracesOfWar.com

    Has... "Huize Providentia (at Sterksel) is a former monastery, which was used from October 1944 to December 1944 as military hospital by the 81st British General Hospital. Before that, it was used by the German Hitlerjugend."

    maarheeze (sterksel monastery) cemetery | WW2Talk
     
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