22364 Greaser William JEWERS, HMS Patia, Naval Auxiliary Personnel, Merchant Navy: 28/04/1941

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  1. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

    Remembering Today

    Casualty
    Greaser JEWERS, WILLIAM
    Service Number 22364
    Died 28/04/1941
    Aged 31
    H.M.S. Patia. Naval Auxiliary Personnel (Merchant Navy)
    Son of James and Mary Jewers; husband of Evelyn May Jewers.
    Commemorated at LIVERPOOL NAVAL MEMORIAL
    Location: Lancashire, United Kingdom
    Number of casualties: 1408
    Cemetery/memorial reference: Panel 17, Column 2.
     
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  2. timuk

    timuk Well-Known Member

    HMS Patia. Cargo vessel equipped as fighter catapult ship. Sunk by German bombers off Northumberland coast.
    Allied Warships of WWII - Ocean boarding vessel HMS Patia - uboat.net

    From naval-history.net

    Patia, ship loss

    BAKER, David M B, Commander, RNR, killed

    BARTRAM, Norman, Steward, NAP, killed

    COCK, William C, Able Seaman, C/SSX 20709, MPK

    DAVIS, Reginald, Act/Leading Signalman, C/SSX 17314, MPK

    DAY, Morris N, Fireman, NAP 199174, MPK

    DOHERTY, John, Greaser, NAP, killed

    DOWNS, James R, Fireman, NAP, killed

    FERGUSON, John, Donkeyman, NAP, killed

    GODLEY, Albert W, Ordinary Seaman, C/JX 238148, killed

    GRAY, William, Carpenter, NAP, killed

    HENGLER, Sidney J, Storekeeper, NAP, killed

    HUGHES, George, Butcher 2c, NAP, killed

    HUZZEY, William A, Assistant Storekeeper, NAP, killed

    JAMES, John E, Ordinary Seaman, P/JX 243193, MPK

    JEWERS, William, Greaser, NAP 22364, MPK

    JONES, Alfred, Ordinary Seaman, C/JX 239066, killed

    LAWRENCE, Leonard, Greaser, NAP, killed

    MATCHAM, Arthur, Storekeeper, NAP 816941, MPK

    MINTEN, Leonard A, Ordinary Seaman, C/JX 214897, MPK

    NEULING, Julius P, Greaser, NAP, killed

    NICHOLLS, Cyril S, Ty/Lieutenant, RNVR, killed

    ORMAN, William F, Fireman, NAP, killed

    OWEN, Frederick J, Lieutenant, RNR, MPK

    OWEN, Royston W H, 2nd Writer, NAP 205777, MPK

    PARISH, Frederick A, Able Seaman, C/SSX 27926, MPK

    PARRISH, Frederick A, Able Seaman, C/SSX 27926, MPK

    PELLING, Henry, Fireman, NAP 172353, MPK

    PHILLIPS, Godfrey S P, Ordinary Seaman, RNVR, C/LD/X 4484, MPK

    PRIM, Benjamin K, Ty/Sub Lieutenant (E), RNR, killed

    RILEY, Edward L, Ty/Lieutenant, RNVR, MPK

    ROGERS, Douglas, Fireman, NAP, killed

    SHORT, Cyril, Ordinary Seaman, P/JX 243078, killed

    SMITH, John, Ordinary Seaman, C/JX 243090, died

    SMITH, John, Ordinary Seaman, C/JX 243090, killed

    SMITH, Wilfred S, Ordinary Coder, C/JX 229737, MPK

    STAFFORD, George, Fireman, NAP, killed

    TOMPKINS, Frederick E, Petty Officer Steward, NAP 146960, MPK

    VOWLES, Raymond H R, 1st Writer, NAP 966942, MPK

    WILLIAMS, Bertram E T, Py/Ty/Lieutenant, RNR, MPK

    Tim
     
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  3. Tricky Dicky

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    UK, British Army and Navy Birth, Marriage and Death Records, 1730-1960
    Name: William Jewers
    Event: Death
    Birth Date: 5 Mar 1908
    Birth Place: London
    Death Date: 27 Apr 1941
    Death Age: 33
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    CL1 - slight difference in date of death and a bigger difference in his age at death

    UK, Shipping and Seamen WWI and WWII Rolls of Honour, 1914-1945
    Name: William Jewers
    Death Age: 33
    Birth Year: 1908
    Death Date: 27 Apr 1941
    Death Country: United Kingdom
    (Image below)

    Note:
    There are 3 family trees on Ancestry that could represent him, they are Private, but all show his birth as 1910, which I believe from evidence in this post is incorrect

    TD
     

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  4. Tricky Dicky

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    UK, Commonwealth War Graves, 1914-1921 and 1939-1947
    Name: William Jewers
    Age: 31
    Birth Date: abt 1910
    Death Date: 28 Apr 1941
    Cemetery: Naval Memorials United Kingdom Liverpool
    Burial Country: England
    Father: James Jewers
    Mother: Mary Jewers
    Regimental Number: 22364
    Region or Memorial: Memorial Register
    Other Records:

    I note the CWGC details his DoB as "abt 1910" - I would have thought with the files available at the time they would have consulted them, rather than provide "abt". Also might be interesting to know where they received the death date from??

    TD
     
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  5. Tricky Dicky

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    Just been looking through this site - https://wrecksite.eu/wreck.aspx?12770 and it shows under the People on board section that about half are shown as died 27/4/1941 and the other half as 28/4/1941, I would assume that as she was sunk by aircraft that the date would generally have been 27/4/1941, doubt the Luftwaffe at that time would be bombing ships at night.

    Another thought ocurrs to me in that she was used to launch Hurricane aircraft for one assumes to be convoy protection, but this would have be a once only launch, so how many aircraft did the ship have, and how would the pilots be 'retrieved' after they had done their duty and chased away the German aircraft.

    TD
     
  6. Hugh MacLean

    Hugh MacLean Senior Member

    The ship would carry 1 plane and ditch into the sea and pilot picked up by convoy escort.
    HMS PATIA was not carrying a fighter when sunk.

    The German Heinkel bomber took of from Stavanger, Norway at 19:30 (German Summer Time) and attacked the ship 2 hours later. The bomber was shot down by the ship and 3 crew taken as prisoners of war, a fourth crew member was drowned.
    Regards
    Hugh
     
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  7. Tricky Dicky

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    Thanks Hugh - thats quite a brave thing to do for the pilot. Who knows where he will ditch his aircraft, injuries perhaps and of course sea state leaves you thinking its a bloody risky business. Its also risky for the escort tasked to pick them up as they must come almost to a stop leaving them vulnerable to subs. I would think at times the risk assessment of do we stop a large vessel with 100's onboard to pick up 1 pilot could have proved difficult.

    Should we therefore assume the differences in dates of death would be the dates that there bodies were recovered?

    I assume the pilots would be RN rather than RAF

    TD
     
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  8. Hugh MacLean

    Hugh MacLean Senior Member

    I would agree on both points TD. FCS ships had RN FAA pilots, later MAC ships had RAF pilots.
    Regards
    Hugh
     
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