1st Battalion Tyneside Scottish, The Black Watch (Royal Highland Regiment). 1940

Discussion in '1940' started by Drew5233, Jan 15, 2011.

  1. Mr Jinks

    Mr Jinks Bit of a Cad

    Hi Einir,

    There`s a forum member John Dixon who will be able to help I think. Visit his website

    http://70brigade.newmp.org.uk/wiki/Main_Page

    Insert the word `Norman` into the search box and it will bring up the matches I had a go but could only find one Tynside Scottish but not from Edinburgh? There`s others from 10 and 11th DLI .I could list them but its John Dixons research so I would rather you speak/contact him :)


    Kyle
     
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  2. Einir

    Einir Member

    Thenks kyle I hat sent email whit info :)

    Einir
     
  3. Kirkleylewis

    Kirkleylewis New Member

    Hello

    Thanks to the info and advice here I've managed to get a copy of a post card from the International Red Cross for my grandfather lance corporal Norman Ross. 4439816, and details of his transfers around pow camps, I've not seen this info anywhere else. It took from April 2014 to November 2015, but it came. I had almost given up as you can no longer request this.


    Second World War archives: Research suspended


    27-11-2015

    In light of the ongoing revision of the rules for access to the ICRC archives, the research service is currently suspended.


    The rules for access to the ICRC archives are currently being revised in order to take account of new international data protection standards. This means that it is still not possible to process requests for information about individuals who were registered by the Central Prisoners of War Agency during the Second World War.

    We are therefore unable to accept any new requests, unless you can prove the humanitarian nature of your request.

    We will make further announcements in 2016 about the resumption of this service. We encourage you to consult our website regularly for updates.



    Thanks again

    Mich
     
  4. Mr Jinks

    Mr Jinks Bit of a Cad

    Hello Mich,
    Welcome to the forum :) From the DLI enlistment and Discharge books via ex member Verrieres;-


    4439816 Cpl Norman Ross

    Enlisted 1/12/21 into the Teritorial army for an initial period of 4 yrs Civilian occupation Paper maker
    Aged 19 on his enlistment in Gateshead.
    Joined 9 Durham Light Infantry,
    Discharged 30/11/25, Re-enlisted 5/5/39 9 DLI, Transferred 12th DLI then Black Watch 1/2/40, 1st Tyneside Scottish, Captured France 1940 (Black Watch) Pow no 10349 Camp 1945 Stalag 357 Discharged Class Z Army Reserve 8/1/46.
    On his initial enlistment his next of kin was his dad Mr .A.T.C.Ross,address 39, Bensham Terrace, Gateshead

    Kyle
     
  5. Jalopy

    Jalopy New Member

     
  6. Jalopy

    Jalopy New Member

    I,m also trying to find any mentions of my uncle, who was killed on 20 May 1940: Private Joseph Bernard Kiney, 2759049 1st Bn Tyneside Scottish, The Black Watch (Royal Highland Regiment)
     
  7. Hi Guys,

    My wifes' Uncle, Piper William Duncan was one of those with only 8 weeks training including 2 weeks embarkation leave!!!
    He told me that when they went into action 1/3rd of the Battalion had rifles , bayonets and ammo, 1/3rd had rifles and bayonets , and his 1/3rd had a stick with a bayonet tied to the end.
    He was captured
     
  8. TTH

    TTH Senior Member

    John Dixon's site has two accounts of the 1st TS in action in 1940, compiled from several battalion sources. 1st Tyneside Scottish May 1940 - 70 Brigade

    What a miserable mess. Erratic communications with brigade and division, failure by higher HQs to appreciate the situation quickly and accurately, little cooperation with the French and not much more with other British units, very little information and what info there was often neither timely not accurate, no artillery support, rotten transport, enemy air attacks and few RAF aircraft in sight, Lewis guns and anti-tank guns that didn't work. It's like a miniature caricature of the entire 1940 campaign. In the light of this it is rather amazing that the 1st TS fought so determinedly.
     
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  9. Terry Hall

    Terry Hall Member

    Can anyone tell me where I can get copy of Harder Than Hammers on disc or other media please. The Tyneside Scottish was my late father in laws battalion.
     
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  10. Tullybrone

    Tullybrone Senior Member

    Most definitely off topic but one of my great uncles joined 1st TS in Oct 1914 in Bedlington, Northumberland. He was one of the unlucky 300+ men from the Battalion killed in action at La Boisselle on the Somme Saturday 1st July 1916 - the first day of The Battle of The Somme.:poppy:

    Steve
     
  11. Mr Jinks

    Mr Jinks Bit of a Cad

    Just for clarity the 1st TS in WW1 were the 20th Northumberland Fusiliers . In WW2 they were 12th (Tyneside Scottish) DLI . They formally became 1st Battalion Tyneside Scottish, Black Watch (Royal Highland Regiment) in February 1940. (Not to be confused with 1st Bn Black Watch ) The title Tyneside Scottish passed post war to the Royal Artillery.

    Kyle
     
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  12. Matt89

    Matt89 New Member

    This thread has been a great source of information.

    I've been researching my maternal Grandmother's Father (my great-Grandfather) Henry Parker (2759590); up until recently I had no information about him, not even a name.

    From what I've been able to gather to date, he was from Gateshead and enlisted with the Black Watch, and was posted to the Tyneside Scottish on 27/2/1940. He was then presumed KIA on 20/5/1940; he was 26 and left behind 2 daughters, 18mo and 6mo - the youngest being my grandmother.

    He has a grave at BUCQUOY ROAD CEMETERY, Ficheux. (http://70brigade.newmp.org.uk/w/images/a/a9/Parker_H_2759590.JPG)

    What would be recommended as a definitive history of the events around the 20/05/40 for the Tyneside Scottish?

    Also the below was mentioned in an earlier post:
    |The war diaries were lost but there is a hand written version by CSM Baggs at the Imperial War Museum (Doc 94/49/1) which gives a detailed account of what happened along with some maps and award recommendations.
    Could anyone tell me how I might be able to get a copy or read that Doc 94/49/1?

    Thanks.

    Matt
     
  13. Terry Hall

    Terry Hall Member

    Hi, My late father in law was in the 1st Battalion Tyneside Scottish and captured at Ficheux, May 1940. He ended up in Stalag XXA in Torun Poland. Some time ago, I read the route they took once captured which I believe was France - Belgium - Netherlands - Poland, but I am not a100% sure. Does anyone know the route or point me in the right direction to find this info. My father in law said he felt as though he had walked all the way to Poland. I know at some point they were put in cattle trucks. Thanks in anticipation . Terry
     
  14. Quarterfinal

    Quarterfinal Well-Known Member

    Two members of the Tyneside Scottish who were held prisoner in Stalag 383 were:

    John Moffitt
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    Moffitt John Sgt 4455317 - 70 Brigade
    and

    Adam Edgar
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    Edgar Adam Cpl 4456045 - 70 Brigade

    They may have posed for (stylized) watercolour paintings - first Sgt Moffitt:

    upload_2022-3-3_21-22-15.jpeg

    And then Cpl Edgar:
    upload_2022-3-3_21-24-0.jpeg

    The left shoulder lanyard on the first might give additional identification; ditto the socks on the latter. The glengarry may have been borrowed. Painted on Red Cross parcel wrapping.
     
  15. Terry Hall

    Terry Hall Member

    Kiney Joseph Bernard Pte 2759049 - 70 Brigade
     
  16. Tom Irvine

    Tom Irvine New Member

    Hello. Just discovered this site. He was my grandfather and I was born at that address in 1948. He had already left before I was born as his marriage to my grandmother was over but they never divorced. I note that another member Kirkleylewis says he was also
    his grandfather. I tend to think his name is Kirkley as I believe his mother is Maud, my aunt. My grandfather had lots of kids to at least three women. So even I do not know how many!
     
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