1st. Battalion King's (Liverpool) Regt.

Discussion in 'Burma & India' started by Hutchy46, Aug 20, 2012.

  1. bamboo43

    bamboo43 Very Senior Member

    Hi Domingo,

    Zahonado is exactly right with that information. My guess is that he was killed either in one of the gliders, or possibly by one of the gliders as they landed at Broadway. There was no enemy interference on the 5th March and any casualties would have been in the form of accidents involving the glider landings.

    Attached to this post is an example of a Glider casualty list for a section of 1st King's on the 5th March 1944. I believe that this glider came down away from Broadway (the Chindit landing ground for the glider assault in 1944), and that the men stated as killed by the Japanese on the 10th, were killed as they marched through the jungle after the crash.

    Sadly, I have no actual information for Leslie Carney, so all this information supports an educated guess on my part.
    Also attached is a page from the 77th Indian Infantry Brigade HQ war diary, showing the loss of several gliders on the 5th March.

    The fact that Leslie shares a collective grave at Taukkyan, makes me feel that he died at Broadway and was buried there in the first instance. It is not an exact science, but anyone lost in the jungle would most likely be remembered upon the Rangoon Memorial. This is also at Taukkyan, but remembers those with no known grave.

    After the war, the Imperial War Graves Commission searched for casualty burials using information and coordinates given to them by witnesses. Broadway's location would certainly be easily identified and the list of casualties suffered there recorded.

    I hope this helps you in some way.

    Steve


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  2. Hebridean Chindit

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    Welcome Domingo...

    I have some of the 1KLR files due to my research, including the MIA's (which list a couple of missing 1KLR gliders), and he's not in any of the MIA lists, so I presume he was one of those unfortunates that died on landing at Broadway (there were quite a few), hence a "known" death, and not in one of those gliders that were lost en-route...

    Tony Redding's book War In The Wilderness is a good start, as is the essential book Prisoners Of Hope, by Brig Mike Calvert, if you wish to learn more about the basics of these events...

    Any other pointers Ladies and Gents...?
     
  3. domingo106

    domingo106 New Member

    Thanks for the excellent information.given me some further lines of enquiry.This is an exceptional resource, made by the interest and enthusiasm of all of you, thanks again
     

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  4. bamboo43

    bamboo43 Very Senior Member

    Domingo,

    Have you considered applying for Leslie's Army Service Records? They will give you some detail about his service in WW2, although probably not in relation to the circumstances of his death.

    Here is the link to the MOD pages:

    http://www.veterans-uk.info/service_records/army.html
     
  5. domingo106

    domingo106 New Member

    Thanks I have applied for the records, but I think I will be waiting some time.
     
  6. Hebridean Chindit

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    6 to 9 months used to be the average... o_O
     
  7. impala_ood

    impala_ood Junior Member

    George Edward Payne 5885340 1st Kings Liverpool Regiment. Born in Bermondsey, Dunkirk survivor, died of wounds in Burma on or after 25th May 1944, listed on the Rangoon memorial with no known grave. Loved and missed by his Mum and sisters till their passing days. Remembered still and very much in our thoughts on this, the 70th anniversary of VJ Day.

    I hope it's acceptable to resurrect this thread but you were all so helpful to me as I tried to learn more about George and his experiences with the 1st Kings Liverpool during the second Chindit campaign. Thanks to the wonders of the internet I was able to trace George's son who provided this photo. I'm happy to share it here with you to put a face to his name.

    Got to say it brought a smile to my face watching the veterans "wander" down Whitehall today with a spring in their step, a twinkle in their eye and heads held high!

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  8. bamboo43

    bamboo43 Very Senior Member

    Hi Rich,

    Great to see your update today.

    Best wishes

    Steve
     
  9. Hebridean Chindit

    Hebridean Chindit Lost in review...

    Thread resurrection is never a problem here, after all, the past is what we're all about... ;)
     
  10. Lellx

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  11. Lellx

    Lellx New Member

    Hi Michael captain James coulthard was my grandma's brother so being my great uncle if you need to know anything feel free to ask I'll post his picture xx
     
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  12. Lellx

    Lellx New Member

    Captain James coulthard
     

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  13. bamboo43

    bamboo43 Very Senior Member

    Hi Lellx,

    Thank you for posting your Great Uncle's photo. It is alway good to put a face to the soldier. Anything you would like to tell us about James and how his loss affected your family would be of great interest.

    Best wishes

    Steve
     

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