1st Battalion Coldstream Guards, GAD, Tank Casualties, 1945

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  1. dbf

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    TNA Catalogue Reference: WO 205/1165

    Extract from -
    Tank Casualties Survey, NWE 1945 | WW2Talk

    N.B. Although the original document states throughout that the unit is 1st Bn Grenadier Guards, this is unlikely as the bn was motorised, not armoured.
    I'm setting the thread title as Coldstream .



    See other threads for further Guards Armoured Division data, 1945:
    2nd Armoured Battalion GRENADIER GUARDS
    2nd Armoured Battalion IRISH GUARDS
    2nd Recce Battalion WELSH GUARDS


    Other Units in same survey:
    7th Armoured Division
    11th Armoured Division
    4th Armoured Brigade
    8th Armoured Brigade
     
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  3. dbf

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    Regiment: 1st Battalion Grenadier Guards
    [nb the original document is incorrect, should read 1st Armoured Battalion Coldstream Guards]

    Serial No.: F.5.

    Tank:

    Mark: VI

    W.D. No.: 224119

    Date: 31 Mar 1945

    Photo No.: -

    Figure Nos.: 35, 37
    1st Battalion Coldstream Guards, GAD, Tank Casualties, 1945

    Range: Not Known

    Cause of Damage: H.C. penetration.

    Fire Damage: None.

    Other tanks involved in same incident:

    Circumstances: At NEEDE.

    Position of Hit: Penetration through right side hull behind right front track support roller.

    Course & Effect of Projectiles: No fire. Minor internal damage.

    Remarks: Tank seen after repair. Information from Troop Leader.

    Fate of Crew:
    Turret crew: Unhurt.
    Driver: a) abrasions left hand. b ) multiple tiny wounds in right thigh. X-rays shows multiple small F.B’s. RTD 3/52. Category A.1.
    Co-Driver: Killed.
     
  4. dbf

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    Regiment: 1st Battalion Grenadier Guards
    [nb the original document is incorrect, should read 1st Armoured Battalion Coldstream Guards]

    Serial No.: A.14

    Tank: Sherman

    Mark: N.K.

    W.D. No.: N.K.

    Date: 1 Apr 1945

    Photo No.: 5

    Figure Nos.: 8, 10
    1st Battalion Coldstream Guards, GAD, Tank Casualties, 1945

    Range: 500 yds.

    Cause of Damage: A.P. (105 mm.) (Flak. 38) penetration.

    Fire Damage: Burnt out

    Other tanks involved in same incident: -

    Circumstances: Knocked out by one of a battery of 105 mm. Flak. guns at the approach to a bridge over the canal at ENSCHEDE. Turret at 10 o’clock.

    Position of Hit: 110 mm. diameter penetration through side wall of left petrol tank.

    Course & Effect of Projectiles: Shot went across the engine and out through the rear end of the right petrol tank knocking a piece 12” x 18” out of the side plate of the right sponson. Tank caught fire at once.

    Remarks: Tank seen. This is a case in which an uninjured member of the crew of a tank was burnt to death as he was unable to get out quickly enough.

    Fate of Crew:
    Commander: Severe burns of face and hands requiring skin grafting. Still in hospital 21 Jul 1945. Medical Board Category D for 3/12.
    Gunner and Operator: Killed. Got out of tank and were found dead outside with clothes burnt off - presumably burnt to death.
    Driver: Burnt. Severe burns of face and hands requiring skin grafting. Still in hospital 20 Sep 1945. Final Category not known.
    Co-Driver: Killed. Never got out of tank. Body destroyed.
     
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  5. secondworldwar-nl

    secondworldwar-nl Junior Member

    Hello Diane,

    This has to be the tank of Lt. Boscawen, 1st Armd. Btn. Coldstream Guards. His tank got knocked out by a 105MM gun and he got wounded in the incident.

    The following men of his crew where killed in the incident and are buried in Enschede.
    Guardsman Wright - gunner
    Guardsman Hanson - radio operator
    Guardsman Brandbury - 2e chauffeur

    3 other sherman tanks of the same battalion where knocked out in the same battle for the Lonneker bridge together with two scoutcars of the 2nd Household Cavalry Regiment.
    .
     
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  6. dbf

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    Regiment: 1st Battalion Grenadier Guards
    [nb the original document is incorrect, should read 1st Armoured Battalion Coldstream Guards]

    Serial No.: B.9.

    Tank:

    Mark: V c

    W.D. No.: 228560

    Date: 8 Apr 1945

    Photo No.: 17

    Figure No.: -

    Range: N.K.

    Cause of Damage: H.C. damage.

    Fire Damage: Minor, confined.

    Other tanks involved in same incident:

    Circumstances: N.K.

    Position of Hit: H.C. hit the Commander in the head.

    Course & Effect of Projectiles: Apparently minor internal damage. One round on floor of turret and some external stowage had burned.

    Remarks: Tank seen. Information from Padre.

    Fate of Crew:
    Gunner and Driver: Unhurt.
    Commander: Killed. Hit in head by H.C. projectile.
    Operator: Wounded. a) Multiple wounds thigh. X-ray shows 25, 1-50 mgm F.B’s and many smaller F.B’s. b ) Compound comminuted fracture right tibia and fibula with multiple small leg wounds and extensive damage to calf muscles, but no nerve injury, X-ray shows 25, 0-50 mgm F.B’s and many smaller F.B’s. c) Compound fracture of 2 metatarsal. X-ray shows 6, 1-50 mgm F.B’s and many smaller F.B’s. Still in hospital 22 September 1945. Final category Not Known.
     
  7. dbf

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    Regiment: 1st Battalion Grenadier Guards
    [nb the original document is incorrect, should read 1st Armoured Battalion Coldstream Guards]

    Serial No.: F.3.

    Tank:

    Mark: VI

    W.D. No.: 224103

    Date: 8 Apr 1945

    Photo No.: 42

    Figure Nos.: 35, 38
    1st Battalion Coldstream Guards, GAD, Tank Casualties, 1945

    Range: 20 yds.

    Cause of Damage: H.C. (Panzerfaust) penetration.

    Fire Damage: Minor, confined fire.

    Other tanks involved in same incident:

    Circumstances: Turret at 12.30 o’clock

    Position of Hit: Penetration 55 mm. diameter, hole through upper edge of front of hull and edge of Driver’s hatch, which was closed when the tank was hit.

    Course & Effect of Projectiles: Apparently minor internal damage. Fire confined to Driver’s seat and cover of wireless.

    Remarks: Tank seen.

    Fate of Crew:
    Commander and Co-Driver: Unhurt.
    Operator: Wounded. a) penetrating abdominal wound in left loin and superficial wounds in epigastric region. X-ray shows 10, 0-50 mgm. F.B’s and 1, 50-250 mgm. F.B. b ) multiple superficial wounds left thigh, knee and leg. Developed tuberculous peritonitis. Still in hospital 27 September 1945. Final category not known.
    Driver: Killed. Burnt, but with no obvious wound.
     
  8. dbf

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    Regiment: 1st Battalion Grenadier Guards
    [nb the original document is incorrect, should read 1st Armoured Battalion Coldstream Guards]

    Serial No.: G.3.

    Tank:

    Mark: ARV

    W.D. No.: 148333

    Date: 8 Apr 1945

    Photo No.: 43

    Figure No.: -

    Range: N.K.

    Cause of Damage: H.C. penetration.

    Fire Damage: None

    Other tanks involved in same incident:

    Circumstances: Not Known

    Position of Hit: Penetration through the side wall of the left sponson at its junction with the front of the hull.

    Course & Effect of Projectiles: No fire and apparently minor internal damage.

    Remarks: Tank seen. Information from B.T.A.

    Fate of Crew:
    Crew consisting of Operator, (next to the Driver) and passenger, in centre compartment: Unhurt except for the
    Driver: Wounded - ruptured eardrum. RTD 1/52. Category A.
     
  9. dbf

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    Regiment: 1st Battalion Grenadier Guards
    [nb the original document is incorrect, should read 1st Armoured Battalion Coldstream Guards]

    Serial No.: AB.5.

    Tank:

    Mark: N.K.

    W.D. No.: N.K.

    Date: 26 Apr 1945

    Photo No.: -

    Figure No.: -

    Range: N.K.

    Cause of Damage: A.P. scoop.

    Fire Damage: None

    Other tanks involved in same incident:

    Circumstances: Not Known

    Position of Hit: Not Known

    Course & Effect of Projectiles: A.P. scoop made main armament fire, and the recoiling gun hit the Operator

    Remarks: Tank not seen. Information from Squadron Leader.

    Fate of Crew:
    Operator: Wounded. Bruise right elbow and superficial wound right forearm. RTD 3/52. Category A.1.
     
  10. dbf

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    Regiment: 1st Battalion Grenadier Guards
    [nb the original document is incorrect, should read 1st Armoured Battalion Coldstream Guards]

    Serial No.: A.15.

    Tank:

    Mark: N.K.

    W.D. No.: N.K.

    Date: Not Known

    Photo No.: 6

    Figure Nos.: 8, 10, 12
    1st Battalion Coldstream Guards, GAD, Tank Casualties, 1945

    Range: Not Known

    Cause of Damage: A.P. penetrations and scoops. H.E. hit.

    Fire Damage: Burnt out

    Other tanks involved in same incident:

    Circumstances: Knocked out near Lingen. Turret found at 7 o’clock.

    Position of Hit: a) hole 89 x 135 mm. in bulldozer blade and penetration into right final drive; b ) scoop side wall left petrol tank; c) scoop roof left petrol tank just behind turret; d) H.E. hit front of turret a few inches to right of the right edge of gun mantlet.

    Course & Effect of Projectiles: Shot a) did not go through into crew compartment. Either a) or c) might have started the fire.

    Remarks: Tank seen. Squadron Leader refused to allow information about circumstances and fate of crew to be obtained.

    Fate of Crew: Not Known.
     
  11. dbf

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    Regiment: 1st Battalion Grenadier Guards
    [nb the original document is incorrect, should read 1st Armoured Battalion Coldstream Guards]

    Serial No.: B.8.

    Tank:

    Mark: I c

    W.D. No.: 263616

    Date: N.K.

    Photo No.: -

    Figure No.: 18
    1st Battalion Coldstream Guards, GAD, Tank Casualties, 1945

    Range: N.K.

    Cause of Damage: H.C. scoop.

    Fire Damage: None

    Other tanks involved in same incident:

    Circumstances: N.K.

    Position of Hit: Hole about 40 mm. diameter into gun trunnions behind 17-pounder mantlet.

    Course & Effect of Projectiles: No apparent internal damage.

    Remarks: Tank seen.

    Fate of Crew: N.K.
     
  12. dbf

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    Regiment: 1st Battalion Grenadier Guards
    [nb the original document is incorrect, should read 1st Armoured Battalion Coldstream Guards]

    Serial No.: F.4.

    Tank:

    Mark: VII

    W.D. No.: 271120

    Date: Not Known

    Photo No.: -

    Figure Nos.: 35, 38
    1st Battalion Coldstream Guards, GAD, Tank Casualties, 1945

    Range: Not Known

    Cause of Damage: A.P. (75mm) scoop.

    Fire Damage: None.

    Other tanks involved in same incident:

    Circumstances: Near Lingen. Turret found at 12 o’clock, but traversable.

    Position of Hit: Scoop about 75 mm. diameter at junction of front of hull and floor, by Driver’s right foot.

    Course & Effect of Projectiles: No fire. Small hole in floor by left side of gear box.

    Remarks: Tank seen.

    Fate of Crew: Not Known.
     
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  14. jjrc1991

    jjrc1991 Junior Member

    Dear All,

    I'm trying to find out what happened to Ronald Moore, a Coldstream Guard serving with the 1st battalion who was killed in action on the 1st May 1945. I have been told that he was in a tank (and have subsequently found out that the 1st Bn. was at this time an armoured unit). Can anyone help?

    Regards

    jjrc1991
     
  15. dbf

    dbf Moderatrix MOD

    Hi
    Of course the following is only relevant if he was KIA, and not DOW.

    This is from The Coldstream Guards 1920-1946, Howard & Sparrow, page 373:
    Excerpt starts on 29 April

    "With Bremen secured, interest now turned to the progress of VIII Corps around Hamburg. Armoured units crossed the Elbe on the 29th and drove rapidly towards the Baltic coast. At the same time the Household Cavalry were exploring the western bank of the Elbe estuary, and finding very little resistance. Therefore on the 29th the Division once again turned east, and began its final task - that of clearnign the left bank of the Elbe to its mouth at Cuxhaven. A twenty-mile drive brought the Coldstream Group to Hallenbuerg, twenty miles west of Hamburg; and next morning, after a comfortable night in billets, the battalions began to advance northwards, through Harsfeld, towards the town of Stade. German capitulation could now only be a matter of days, perhaps hours; but still the guardsmen were warned to expect resistance, to advance carefully, to take no undue risks. Troop commanders tune in their wireless sets in the hope of hearing the cease-fire; instead there came more Intelligence reports, more operational orders: the enemy was withdrawing troops over the estuary towards Schleswig-Holstein and Denmark; resistance was expected along the line of the Oste canal. So the advance continued. Blown bridges made progress slow, and every demolition was dangerous; a tank from 2 Squadron, sent to protect an R.E. working party, touched off a sea-mine and disintegrated completely. However, by 11 o'clock on May-day morning Stade had surrendered to the Household Cavalry, and that afternoon a detachment from the Coldstream Group wen to take over the town."
     
  16. dbf

    dbf Moderatrix MOD

    To add to the circumstantial background, a crew for Sherman was usually five men.


    5 men, one Lance -Sergeant and 4 Guardsmen, from the 1st Bn (incl Ronald Moore) are listed as fatalities for that day, 2 of whom have no grave and are commemorated on a Memorial.

    http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/2199558/
    MOORE, RONALD GILBERT
    Rank: Guardsman
    Service No: 14225385
    Date of Death: 01/05/1945
    Age: 21
    Regiment/Service: Coldstream Guards, 1st Bn.
    Grave Reference: 3. H. 8.
    Cemetery: BECKLINGEN WAR CEMETERY
    Additional Information: Son of Mr. and Mrs. W. Moore, of Witney, Oxfordshire.


    http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/2198916/

    GREEN, JOHN THOMAS
    Rank: Lance Serjeant
    Service No: 2660425
    Date of Death: 01/05/1945
    Age: 25
    Regiment/Service: Coldstream Guards, 1st Bn.
    Grave Reference: 3. H. 7.
    Cemetery: BECKLINGEN WAR CEMETERY
    Additional Information: -

    http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/2659284/

    LOCK, FRANK
    Rank: Guardsman
    Service No: 2665134
    Date of Death: 01/05/1945
    Age: 27
    Regiment/Service: Coldstream Guards, 1st Bn.
    Panel Reference: Panel 3.
    Memorial: GROESBEEK MEMORIAL
    Additional Information: Husband of Veronica Lock, of Airedale, Castleford, Yorkshire.



    http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/2659606/

    SOMERSET, STANLEY
    Rank: Guardsman
    Service No: 2666893
    Date of Death: 01/05/1945
    Age: 19
    Regiment/Service: Coldstream Guards, 1st Bn.
    Panel Reference: Panel 3.
    Memorial: GROESBEEK MEMORIAL
    Additional Information: Son of Sam and Jessie Somerset, of Firth Park, Sheffield.


    http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/2390049/
    TAYLOR-HURST, ANTHONY GRANVILLE FRANK WALTER
    Rank: Guardsman
    Service No: 2666407
    Date of Death: 01/05/1945
    Age: 19
    Regiment/Service:
    Coldstream Guards, 1st Bn.
    Grave Reference: 3. H. 9.
    Cemetery: BECKLINGEN WAR CEMETERY
    Additional Information: Son of Harry Hurst Taylor and Rose Taylor, of Mansfield-Woodhouse, Nottinghamshire.
     
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  18. jjrc1991

    jjrc1991 Junior Member

    Dear All,

    I really appreciate the extra information.

    Does anyone know if records exist regarding tank crew lists, squadrons etc. (I have these for another local man who served with the tank regiment)?

    Thanks very much

    Jeff
     
  19. dbf

    dbf Moderatrix MOD

    Jeff, Not that I am aware of, likely they're as rare as hen's teeth.

    For instance there is a good 'pre-embarkation' list for 2nd Armd Bn Irish Guards in their May 44 War Diary, matching men to vehicles for the crossing, but I haven't seen any others. Even that has to be treated as a starting point only, as crews were changed around and were reinforced once casualties came into play.

    You might want to get the war diary for your other chap and have a look, or even find out if there is a published official WW2 History.

    Start up another thread anyway and see if the forum can help out.
     
  20. Chrisgreen2905

    Chrisgreen2905 New Member

    Hi, Jeff with reference to the tank crew above. John Thomas Green was my grandfather. He was killed when my father was around 2 years of age. He was from Gateshead and joined the Coldstream Guards in 1939. The family always thought he was killed in Belgium, and the event was quite traumatic so no further enquiries were really made. The tank did drive over a sea mine on the way to Cuxhaven. I understand from reading diary from Robert Boscawen, that the German parachute regiment were holed up at the airport. I think the Coldstream Guards were sent up there to try to get a surrender.

    My enquiries also reveal tha Anthony Taylor-Hurst seems to have been born in Hamburg. I speculate that he spoke German and he was with this crew because he spoke German.

    The graves are all at Becklingen cemetery outside Hamburg.
     

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