1939 Register meaning of retired officer

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  1. Dafydd

    Dafydd Member

    Would anyone know what the following letters mean after the name and occupation of retired Major Charles Llewelyn Wynne-Jones and I quote:
    'Occupation: Army Officer (Ret) D.L.J[T?].P. Capt R of O 17th/20th La...?'
    He was a Captain in the 17th Lancers and was promoted.
    Many thanks.
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  2. harkness

    harkness Well-Known Member


    "The letters JP for justice of the peace, and DL for a deputy lieutenant may be included in that order. They may be omitted for a peer, or for someone with several honours and decorations. Note: there is no official abbreviation for a lord-lieutenant or a vice lord-lieutenant."

    R of O = Reserve of Officers
    La = Lancers
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  3. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    Can you upload the page as sometimes transcribing can occur - its always better to see the original

  4. Guy Hudson

    Guy Hudson Looker-upper

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  5. timuk

    timuk Well-Known Member

    Almost certainly right as he had been High Sheriff of the County of Merioneth. From Read the eBook Armorial families : a directory of gentlemen of coat-armour (Volume 2) by Arthur Charles Fox-Davies online for free (page 274 of 282)


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  7. Dafydd

    Dafydd Member

    Thank you so much. I'm...speechless!
    The reason behind my question was that C. Ll. Wynne-Jones gave evidence to a coroner's court in Bangor, Gwynedd in March 1945 at the deaths of three boys, one of whom found an UXO - a 2" HE mortar and while tampering with it he killed himself and 2 other innocent bystanders. One was just 6 years old. Presumably, the Colonel was brought out of retirement and was responsible for the mortar training ground in Aber where the boy found the 'blind'. It appears that there were lapses in security there (the boy found 2 blinds). I'd appreciate any additional information surrounding this.
    I would also like any information of Col. Gordon Carter; he was at the coroner's inquiry and represented the 'War Department' to give his 'vote of sympathy for the families'. There's an Australian Col. Gordon Carter but I doubt if this is him.
    Many thanks for your help.
  8. Guy Hudson

    Guy Hudson Looker-upper

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    Liverpool Daily Post 13th March 1945
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  9. Dafydd

    Dafydd Member

    How on earth did you get this article? Thank you very much. I have the whole story in The Chronicle March 16th 1945 p7 and 23rd March p3 and it listed the mourners too.
    Edward John Evans was incredibly stupid to tamper with the 'blind'. He'd taken the top off and with a pair of pliers took out the striker, inserted a screwdriver down the hole left by the striker and "white powder came out" said a witness. It was his luck that his mum called him in for tea and when he sat down … bang! I think Edward had come into contact with the det cap on further tampering (the parallel hole left of the central striker). This det cap was probably wedged incorrectly; it should have been directly under the striker when it was fired and the reason why it was a blind. This is only my theory and open to further ideas. When the round is fired the detent pin (right) gets pulled down with the inertia of the firing and it releases a small ball allowing the striker to spring up against the windshield cap. When the striker lifts the det cap springs into place directly under the striker ready for impact. This had failed.
    I don't know what procedures were carried out on the training range to recover these blinds but Maj. Wynn-Jones said red flags were placed near UXO but the witness contradicted him saying there were none. I think there was a bit of a cover-up which I'm trying to solve. upload_2019-4-22_11-5-40.png

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