164132 (5613720) Charles Henry WARE, RTR: Dunkirk

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  1. My great-uncle Charles Henry Ware served in the RTR in India (11th Light Tank Regiment) and at the start of the war was sent to France and participated in the operations. He was a sargent at the time, and for his actions was sent to Sandhurst and promoted to Lieutenant. I have recently found a copy of his obituary, but I have no idea how to get info on his Dunkirk unit and personal actions.
    Service number 164132, death: 24/04/1942
    Any guidance will be very appreciated.
     

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  2. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot 1940 Obsessive

    Annoyingly CWGC doesn't record which regiment he was with. No joy on the National Archives either by searching for his MiD.

    Casualty
     
  3. Rich Payne

    Rich Payne Rivet Counter Patron 1940 Obsessive

    It looks as if he was with a training establishment in the UK. As a sergeant he's unlikely to be mentioned in war diaries although his MID action could be.
    If it was truly 'before Dunkirk' then 1st Army Tank Brigade might be most likely. Do the diaries for 4 or 7 RTR mention him ?
     
  4. dbf

    dbf Moderatrix MOD

    There is this MiD in the Gazette but the Army Number Block allocation also = Devonshire Regiment *5608001 - 5662000

    https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/35020/supplement/7174/data.pdf
    LG 20 DECEMBER, 1940
    The names of the undermentioned have been brought to notice in recognition of distinguished services in connection with operations in the field, March-June, 1940.
    https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/35020/supplement/7176/data.pdf
    ROYAL ARMOURED CORPS.
    *5613720 Sgt. C. H. WARE.


    https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/35040/supplement/242/data.pdf
    LG 14 JANUARY, 1941
    EMERGENCYCOMMISSIONS (CADETS).
    ROYAL ARMOURED CORPS.
    The undermentioned Cadets, from Sandhurst and 102nd O.C.T.U., to be 2nd Lts., except as otherwise stated. 21st Dec. 1940: —
    R. Tank R.
    Charles Henry WARE (164132) to be Lt.
    [Officer's Personal Number]


    Via FindMyPast:
    - Officers Casualty List No. 809, 28th April 1942
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    - Western Morning News 27 April 1942, names his CO as Col. R.H. Broome
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    - Hartlepool Northern Daily Mail 27 April 1942, again mentions his CO, Col. R.H. Broome
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    - Western Morning News 30 April 1942, mentions a Captain Russell from his unit
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    - Wiltshire Times and Trowbridge Advertiser 02 May 1942, mentions a Trooper R.E. Duffurn
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    Copy Service Records can be applied for (using copy of CWGC certificate as proof of death):-
    Request records of deceased service personnel - GOV.UK
     
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  5. Deacs

    Deacs Well i am from Cumbria.

    Don't know if this helps


    Name:
    Charles Ware
    Given Initials: C H
    Rank: Lieutenant
    Death Date: 24 Apr 1942
    Number: 164132
    Birth Place: Devonshire
    Residence: Yorkshire
    Regiment at Enlistment: Royal Tank Regiment RAC
    Branch at Enlistment: Royal Armoured Corps
    Theatre of War: United Kingdom
    Regiment at Death: Royal Tank Regiment RAC
    Branch at Death: Royal Armoured Corps
     
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  6. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

  7. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot 1940 Obsessive

    There is a list of recommendations in 7 RTR's diary but it's only for medals and not MIDs plus I suspect it's just for the battle of Arras rather than the whole campaign-In short not conclusive.
     
  8. Great information. Thanks a lot !
     
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