164 OCTU – Information Request

Discussion in 'Historiography' started by Steve Mac, Aug 3, 2012.

  1. Steve Mac

    Steve Mac Very Senior Member

    Can anyone please provide the location i.e. address, of the 164 Officer Cadet Training Unit between December 1939 and April 1940?

    I have evidence that it was located in Colchester in July 1940, but later appears to be at North Wales (1944) and Chester (1946). I don’t want to take it for granted that it was located at Colchester during the period I am researching.

    Best,

    Steve.
     
  2. Joe Brown

    Joe Brown WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    Steve: Believe it was located at Barmouth. I attended 163 OCTU at Morecambe in 1942.

    Joe Brown
     
  3. Joe Brown

    Joe Brown WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    Steve: Google 164 OCTU Barmouth and see entry headed Mike Jackson.

    Regards,

    Joe
     
  4. Steve Mac

    Steve Mac Very Senior Member

    Steve: Google 164 OCTU Barmouth and see entry headed Mike Jackson.

    Regards,

    Joe

    Hello Joe,

    That's the link I found that put them in N Wales i.e. Barmouth in Gwynedd, in 1944. I have evidence that 164 OCTU (Inf) was at Colchester in July 1940, but not that it was there from December 1939 to April 1940. Any idea where I could find this information?

    Many thanks for your your assistance.

    Best,

    Steve.
     
  5. Steve Mac

    Steve Mac Very Senior Member

    As per Message #1, I have now found a source that reveals that the 164 OCTU was moved to Eaton Hall, Chester, by Lt Gen Sir Brian Horrocks in 1946; link:

    Cheshire Military Museum | Eaton Hall

    Nothing yet on December 1939 to April 1940...
     
  6. Richard Lewis

    Richard Lewis Member

    Hello Steve,

    A couple of files at TNA which may help:
    WO 365/163. OCTUs: situation reports. 1939-1942.
    WO 365/195. OCTUs: situation reports. 1940.

    I’ve attached this file which I happen to have copied, which doesn’t help with your dates unfortunately, but gives an idea of what the others may contain.
    WO 365/150. Officer-cadet and pre-officer-cadet training units. 1942-1943.

    Regards,
    Richard
     

    Attached Files:

  7. Steve Mac

    Steve Mac Very Senior Member

    Hello Steve,

    A couple of files at TNA which may help:
    WO 365/163. OCTUs: situation reports. 1939-1942.
    WO 365/195. OCTUs: situation reports. 1940.

    I’ve attached this file which I happen to have copied, which doesn’t help with your dates unfortunately, but gives an idea of what the others may contain.
    WO 365/150. Officer-cadet and pre-officer-cadet training units. 1942-1943.

    Regards,

    Richard

    Hello Richard,

    Although it doesn't cover the dates I am looking at, it does confirm where I will likely find the information.

    It also confirms that 164 OCTU was at Barmouth on 18 November 1942; so the picture builds.

    Many thanks for your assistance, it is much appreciated.

    Best,

    Steve.
     
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  9. Steve Mac

    Steve Mac Very Senior Member

  10. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    hello Steve

    Lt. Col H M W Harris MA

    Hugh Harris was born in Cobham Surrey in 1919. Educated at Marlborough College and Queen's College Oxford.

    He left in 1939 with an MA Degree. He volunteered for the army and was commissioned into the Queen's Royal Regiment in 1940, having passed through 164 OCTU at Colchester.
    Commanding Officers - The Queen's Royal (West Surrey) Regiment

    regards
    Clive
     
  11. Steve Mac

    Steve Mac Very Senior Member

    hello Steve

    Lt. Col H M W Harris MA

    Hugh Harris was born in Cobham Surrey in 1919. Educated at Marlborough College and Queen's College Oxford.

    He left in 1939 with an MA Degree. He volunteered for the army and was commissioned into the Queen's Royal Regiment in 1940, having passed through 164 OCTU at Colchester.
    Commanding Officers - The Queen's Royal (West Surrey) Regiment

    regards
    Clive

    Thanks for that, Clive. It is indicating again that 164 OCTU was in Colchester in 1939/40.

    Best,

    Steve.
     
  12. Richard Lewis

    Richard Lewis Member

    Hello Steve,
    A bit late probably, but I had a look at WO 365/163. This is quite a thick file and seems to have all the fortnightly reports 19 Sep 1939 to 1 Aug 1942. Of course I forgot to take a note of which dates you were looking for so had to guess! Here are a couple of reports: 19 Sep 1939 and 18 Jun 1940 both of which show 164 OCTU at Colchester.
    Richard
     

    Attached Files:

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  13. Steve Mac

    Steve Mac Very Senior Member

    Hello Steve,
    A bit late probably, but I had a look at WO 365/163. This is quite a thick file and seems to have all the fortnightly reports 19 Sep 1939 to 1 Aug 1942. Of course I forgot to take a note of which dates you were looking for so had to guess! Here are a couple of reports: 19 Sep 1939 and 18 Jun 1940 both of which show 164 OCTU at Colchester.
    Richard

    Excellent work, Richard.

    I have done no work on this research for the last two months, mainly due to a holiday and subsequent work commitments. This find of yours has provided me with the impetus to move matters forward again. Thank you!

    Best,

    Steve.
     
  14. drifter410

    drifter410 New Member

    Hi Steve.
    Are you still looking for info on the 164 Octu at Barmouth.
    If so I have good info for you.
    Brian Matthews: brimat@gmail.com
     
  15. drifter410

    drifter410 New Member

    If anybody is still interested in the 164 OCTU, I can help. My father was there in Barmouth during 1940 till end of war.
    I also was in Barmouth as a child during this time.

    Brian Matthews
    brimat@gmail.com
     
  16. Steve Mac

    Steve Mac Very Senior Member

    Apologies, Brian. I completey missed your message of 20 Febuary 2014.

    Any information about 164 OCTU gratefully recieved!

    Best,

    Steve.

    PS. Many thanks also for your PM...
     
  17. drifter410

    drifter410 New Member

    Steve,
    I'm not sure what else I may know. Any thing you are interested in.
    Brian.
     
  18. annie13

    annie13 New Member

    hello brian

    i am trying to trace any group photos that might have my father in law in them he was there 1940-42 we believe, can you help
     

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