16 Year old Gurkha Soldiers grave, Berlin.

Discussion in 'War Grave Photographs' started by Smudger Jnr, Nov 9, 2009.

  1. Smudger Jnr

    Smudger Jnr Our Man in Berlin

    I came upon a grave stone whilst photographing at Berlin CWGC for a friend last Friday.

    It quite honestly shocked me when I saw the age of the Gurkha soldier.

    I feel at 16 years of age he was merely a boy and before training could well have been 15 years or younger when he joined up.

    He certainly was not forgotten in my thoughts on Sunday.

    The only details on the web that I can find are those from the CWGC
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    Casualty Details

    Name:JAINANDA RAINationality:IndianRank:RiflemanRegiment/Service:7th Gurkha RiflesUnit Text:2nd Bn.Age:16Date of Death:20/06/1944Service No:7672Additional information:Son of Surjaman Rai and Ekli Raini, of Batene, Nepal.Casualty Type:Commonwealth War DeadGrave/Memorial Reference:Hindu 3B. A. 8.Cemetery:BERLIN 1939-1945 WAR CEMETERY
    CWGC :: Casualty Details



    Regards
    Tom
     

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  2. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot Patron 1940 Obsessive

    I wonder what he was doing and where when he died in June 1944?
     
  3. Smudger Jnr

    Smudger Jnr Our Man in Berlin

    Andy,

    I was thinking the same but not getting anywhere with searches at the moment.

    Maybe someone will supply some information as it would be nice to know.

    He must be one of the youngest Commonwealth casualties of WW2.

    Regards
    Tom
     
  4. sol

    sol Very Senior Member

    He was probably a POW but it will be interesting to know when he was captured. Original 2nd/7th Gurkha Rifles is captured at Tobruk in 1942.

    Edit:

    The site of Berlin 1939-45 War Cemetery was selected by the British Occupation Authorities and Commission officials jointly in 1945, soon after hostilities ceased. Graves were brought to the cemetery from the Berlin area and from eastern Germany*. The great majority of those buried here, approximately 80 per cent of the total, were airmen who were lost in the air raids over Berlin and the towns in eastern Germany. The remainder were men who died as prisoners of war, some of them in the forced march into Germany from camps in Poland, in front of the advancing Russians.
     
  5. Smudger Jnr

    Smudger Jnr Our Man in Berlin

    Sol,

    That really would make him a Boy Soldier.

    Regards
    Tom
     
  6. sol

    sol Very Senior Member

    Yes, that will mean that he was only 14 year old when he was captured. It sound more reasonable that he was captured somewhere in Italy, where reformed 2nd/7th Gurkha Rifles fought from 1944.
     
  7. James Daly

    James Daly Senior Member

    this would make an interesting education project for kids... so young, so far away from home... :poppy:
     
  8. sapper

    sapper WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    very odd as there were no Gurkhas in the Europe campaign of 1944
    Sapper
     
  9. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    very odd as there were no Gurkhas in the Europe campaign of 1944
    Sapper
    Yes there were Brian, lots in Italy.
    That lads unit 2/7th Bn was in 11th Indian Brigade, 4th Indian Division.

    The Tiger Triumphs. The Story of Three Great Divisions in Italy. 1946.Chapters 4-5.

    it was pleasing to note on arrival in Italy that 11th Indian Infantry Brigade, which had been destroyed at Tobruk, had been reconstituted

    11th Indian Infantry Brigade,
    (Brigadier V. C. Griffin)2nd Cameron Highlanders.
    4/6 Rajputana Rifles.
    2/7 Gurkha Rifles.
     
  10. sapper

    sapper WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    Right.... But not in the France and Germany conflict. None at all.
    Nor any commonwealth troops that I can recall.
     
  11. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    One of the 2/7th Gurkhas taken prisoner at Tobruk was Havildar/Clerk Bhuwan Tewari, he was in a POW Camp in Poland when released by the Soviets & joined his unit in Italy by way of Odessa.
    (page 176 of Fourth Indian Division history)
     
  12. urqh

    urqh Senior Member

    Brian Im sure you were so close to our Canadian brothers that you considered them British not Commonwealth. Im not being sarcie truly In not. Just wandering if thats how they were felt of by guys on the coal face..
     
  13. urqh

    urqh Senior Member

    Or am I being stupid .maybe...IzM not sure now on how empire and commonwealth distinction was at that time ...probably my bad understanding of it all.
     
  14. ADM199

    ADM199 Well-Known Member

    There were burials from some of the P.O.W. Camps that were re-inturned in Berlin.

    I know those from Stalag 1VB were.
     
  15. Smudger Jnr

    Smudger Jnr Our Man in Berlin

    Adam,

    I believe that you are correct in your assumption as the 7th Gurkha Rifles are shown as being in North Africa and Italy.

    My late father mentioned the Gurkhas being around when he was in Italy and he said that he always slept easier with them out on patrol.

    I will see if I can find him listed as a POW.

    Regards
    Tom
     
  16. Smudger Jnr

    Smudger Jnr Our Man in Berlin

    Adam,
    This information is from the CWGC site.

    Historical Information:The site of Berlin 1939-45 War Cemetery was selected by the British Occupation Authorities and Commission officials jointly in 1945, soon after hostilities ceased. Graves were brought to the cemetery from the Berlin area and from eastern Germany*. The great majority of those buried here, approximately 80 per cent of the total, were airmen who were lost in the air raids over Berlin and the towns in eastern Germany. The remainder were men who died as prisoners of war, some of them in the forced march into Germany from camps in Poland, in front of the advancing Russians. The cemetery contains 3,595 Commonwealth burials of the Second World War, 397 of them unidentified. There are also 6 Non Commonwealth Foreign National burials and in addition there are 265 post war graves of men of the British Occupation Forces or their dependants, or of members of the Control Commission. * Leipzig, Konigsberg, Iena, Dresden, Halle, Rostock, Teltow, Wismar, Mittenwalde, Neuburxdorf, Magdeburg, Grunberg, Doberitz, Buchholz, Halberstadt, Blankenburg, Gotha, Tannenburg, Potsdam, Weder, Tessau, Stralsund, Schweren, Munsdorf, Brandenburg and Schonwalde.No. of Identified Casualties:3469

    CWGC :: Cemetery Details

    Is there any way of finding out if this young man died as a POW in a
    camp?

    Regards
    Tom
     
  17. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot Patron 1940 Obsessive

    If you are feeling flush Tom you could apply for his service records ;)
     
  18. Smudger Jnr

    Smudger Jnr Our Man in Berlin

    Andy,
    Chance would be a fine thing. Have you seen the exchange rate for Stirling and the Euro! Being paid my pension from the UK to Germany really hurts now!

    Regards
    Tom
     
  19. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Tom,
    I didn't know ADAM had posted on this thread.
    ;)
     
  20. Smudger Jnr

    Smudger Jnr Our Man in Berlin

    Owen,
    I'm having one of those days today.:(

    Regards
    Tom
     

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