15th / 19th Hussars in Assche / Asse

Discussion in '1940' started by BrianM59, Apr 12, 2015.

  1. battleofassche

    battleofassche Well-Known Member

    Hi Mark,

    Thanks very much for posting that picture of your Dad. Looks like it was taken at the Cavalry Barracks in York. I have been researching the May 18, 1940 activities of 15/19 KRH for a while. From your brief description I think I might be able to add a few more details regarding what happened to him on May 18. PM or email me if you would like to chat more on the details.

    Cheers Steve
     
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  2. battleofassche

    battleofassche Well-Known Member

    I have still not been able to spot that C Squadron 15/19 KRH scout carrier. But I have managed to find a couple of more ebay pictures of other carriers with similar markings. One is another view of Taghon's Mai 40, Chapter 18, Plate 15 picture. The other one being used by Germans after the battle. All with unique T numbers. 5 troop C Squadron 15/19 KRH were shot up near Viljst.
     
  3. Mark Jones

    Mark Jones New Member

    Hi. I recently came into possession of the photograph that i have attached. I believe the gentleman in the picture is my great great uncle. On the back of the photo were a number of very interesting details. Being ex forces myself i understood most of them but i've tried to dig a little deeper. I believe the details below to be correct. I'm almost certain he was taken prisoner during the battle of assche however i have no further details or information to confirm this. However the regiment and date he was taken prisoner would suggest so. If anyone could shed any light it would be greatly appreciated.

    Name: George L Bates
    Rank: Trooper
    Army Number: 321325
    Duty Location: France
    Regiment: 15th /19th Hussars - Reconnaissance Corps/Royal Armoured Corps
    Casualty List No. 243.
    Previously shown on Casualty list No. 225 as Missing.
    Date of Action: 18/05/1940
    Fate: Prisoner of War
    Incident Details: Reported to War Office Casualty Section for the 24 hours ending at 09:00.
    Incident Date: 28/06/1940
    POW Number: 5494
    Camp Type: Stalag Camp Number: XX-B
    Camp Location: Marienburg / Malbork (East Prussia / Poland)
     

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  4. battleofassche

    battleofassche Well-Known Member

    Hi Mark, good to hear from another family member of one of the participants of the fighting near Assche on May 18. I have noted your great great uncle is listed in Courage's History of 15/19 KRH 39-45 as being taken prisoner and is not listed as being wounded. Most prisoners were from A or B Sqd. or RHQ. Only A Sqd. actually fought in Assche the other Sqd. were involved in engagements near Assche. I will have a further detailed look through my research materials to see if I can find mention of him. I will send you a PM with my email if you want to discuss more details.

    Cheers Steve
     
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  5. AB64

    AB64 Senior Member

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    Just picked this up, 7899247 John Reginald James Amoss, from the casualty returns he was with the 15th/19th Hussars and was reported missing 18/5/40 but a later return has him as no longer missing - this wasn't until September 1940 so I'm not sure if he had been separated all that time or in those desperate days it just took a while to update things - oddly his name was originally given as Amoos but was "corrected" to Amos, but as you can see from his book (and his signature) its Amoss. If anyone can add any information on him it would be good
     
  6. battleofassche

    battleofassche Well-Known Member

    Had a look through my research materials and books but did not find any mention of Amoss. I noted his trade upon enlistment was an electrician, so perhaps he was with the attached RAOC in HQ Squadron. HQ Squadron was not involved with the fighting on 18 May and had withdrawn to a position west of the Dendre Canal by the afternoon of 18 May. I'll keep digging.....
     
  7. AB64

    AB64 Senior Member

    Thanks for checking - looking at the rest of the book his employment (in the army) is given as Electrician but that's from September 1940, so not sure if he had previously been acting as one or if he had a different trade - he isn't listed as RAOC on the returns and his number is in the RAC block so I think he was 15th/19th.
     
  8. battleofassche

    battleofassche Well-Known Member

    I noticed in the war establishment for mechanized cavalry that A, B and C squadrons each had an Electrician in their Squadron Headquarters (Administrative). A few other details: I found mention that Amoss was baptized in Cornwood Devon England and the England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007 had him passing away in 1998. Do you have any information on when he joined 15/19?
     
  9. AB64

    AB64 Senior Member

    Hi, Afraid not - at first glance I knew he was armoured as his kit size list has RAC beret listed but it was only the casualty returns on findmypast that narrowed it down to 15th/19th and a probable link to Assche - I may see if I can get his tracker card from Bovington at some point
     
  10. battleofassche

    battleofassche Well-Known Member

    I found another record on forces war records for J.R.J. Amoss (Amos) that confirms he was a Trooper in 15/19.

    Today is the 78th Anniversary of the fighting in and around Assche. I gave some thought earlier today to those British, German and Belgian soldiers who gave their lives in the fighting in and around Assche so long ago.
     
  11. AB64

    AB64 Senior Member

    What does it have on Forces War Record? any extra information I can add to my file would be very useful, I've not got a subscription and I know its not generally held in high regard on here?

    Thanks
     
  12. battleofassche

    battleofassche Well-Known Member

    Sent you a PM with the info you requested.
    Cheers Steve
     
  13. battleofassche

    battleofassche Well-Known Member

    Lt. Col. D.S. Frazer, DSO, commanded the 15/19 KRH on May 18, 1940.

    The following is his obituary from:
    XV. XIX. THE KING'S ROYAL HUSSARS REGIMENTAL JOURNAL
    1st JANUARY, 1978 - 31st DECEMBER, 1978 Vol. 5 No. 3

    Donald Stewart Frazer joined the Regiment in Risalpur in 1932 from the 14th/20th The King's Hussars. He already by that time had, by modern standards, quite a long and, varied military career.
    Commissioned into the 18th K.G,O. Lancers Indian Army in 1913, he served as a Squadron Leader with the Regiment in France 1914 - 16 and in the Palestine Campaign under Field Marshall Lord Allanby 1917 - 18. He was A.D.C. to the Viceroy of India 1921 - 24.

    In 1924 he transferred to the British Army and joined the 14th/20th King's Hussars, He was Adjutant of that Regiment 1929 - 32 when he transferred to the 15th/19th Hussars on promotion to Major and took over, command of "A" Squadron. The Regiment returned home, from India in 1934 and almost immediately Donald was seconded to be Chief Instructor of the Small Arms School, Hythe. He was an outstanding rifle and pistol shot and perhaps the greatest musketry expert ¡n the army at that time. H¡s achievements and the trophies he won both as a rifle and a pistol shot are too numerous to be given in detail here.

    He returned to the Regiment in 1936 and was 2nd in Command 1937 - 39. In late September 1939, very shortly after the outbreak of the Second World War he was given command of the Regiment and immediately took it to France as part of the B.E.F. He commanded the Regiment, mainly on the Franco-Belgian frontier, during the long cold winter of 1939-40, the period known as the phoney war, and during the short disastrous campaign of May 1940 which ended for the Regiment, after a week in action, at the crossings over the River Dendre near Alost. Here the majority of the Regiment was either killed or taken prisoner.

    The Commanding Officer was one of those taken prisoner and with many others, was to remain a prisoner for five long years until released in April, 1945.
    He had little opportunity to prove his capacity as Commanding Officer of the Regiment ¡n action during this brief period, but was subsequently, in February, 1946, awarded the D.S.O. for the part he played.

    During the long five years which he had to spend in P.O.W. camps he did, however, have ample opportunity to show what a fine, steadfast, selfless, kind and loving character he was. At the time of his death more than 33 years after their release, his family have had a number of letters from those who, as young men, were in prison camps with him, saying what an inspiration he had been to them.
    During the latter years of their life together, Donald showed all these wonderful aspects of his character again in looking after his beloved wife, Marjorie, who was increasingly, and finally totally crippled by arthritis and had to have everything done for her. Donald did this himself personally and alone, 24 hours a day, 365 days a year for the last several years of her life.

    We must not forget that apart from other things they did for the Regiment, Donald and Marjorie gave us Simon. Simon joined in 1943 and gave distinguished service throughout the campaign of 1944 - 45 as a Troop Leader in "B" Squadron, fortunately surviving the campaign unscathed- He subsequently rose to command his fathers old Regiment 14th/20th Hussars and reached the rank of full Colonel before he retired.

    As a final note, one must mention Donald's love of music from which he got himself and gave to many others, great pleasure. He was a high class pianist and organist and was playing the organ ¡n his parish church in Devon to within a few days of his death.
     
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  15. Rich, is it possible that you can send me these pictures ? I'm doing research for the historical society from Teralfene (Affligem). I'm a native from Teralfene and live in Teralfene. Thank you ! Jan.
     

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