141 RCS

As a member of the Bristol Normandy Veterans I am looking for information regarding on of our departed members.
He said he was part of 141RCS. does this mean anything. He landed DDay+3 Vers sur Mer,King Red.
He was an army signalman.
Does anyone know anything about 141 RCS ,and what his role would be on landing
Thanks

 

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An online search for 141 RCS found three web links. The first refers to a medal / badge for:

From: https://fr.shopping.rakuten.com/s/insigne+sans+attache

Part translation: Command and Support Regiment without rear attachment

Was he in the French Army?

The other web links do not refer to WW2 matters, rather some form of official notices across France.

Vers sur Mer is a Normandy village (where the British Normandy Memorial) is. There is a War Diary partly online that states who landed on D-Day, from the 50th Division. Perhaps the key fact is the location is given as:

From: 50 Div: H.Q. War Diary, D-Day 1944 June

The 50th Division landed on Gold Beach. Starting point: 50th (Northumbrian) Infantry Division - Wikipedia

I expect 141 RCS is a British Royal Signals / Royal Corps Signals, but failed to identify them readily online.

 

we have no service number or record and we do not require that.. I have searched all the records but cannot find 141RCS. All I found was it was formed 1941 and disbanded 1946. Stan Jarvis, our man sailed from southampton dday+3.
I am trying to find if 141RCS moved as a unit or if individuals were seconded to a regular army unit. Were they a unit that just laid forward communication lines? there does not seem to be a war diary which supports the idea the unit was based in UK and sent individuals or small groups as needed
Stan went from Normandy ,all the way to Germany.

 

I have researched military records for over 20 years,mainly WW1 and have come to this forum as I cannot find 141RCS anywhere. I am encouraged that the forum located the badge as I was beginning to doubt 141RCS existed

 

What badge ?

The one dave found is French.

 

sorry my mistake, the site was in French but I thought it was a British badge. He was not french army. it can go on the back burner while I look and see who was mobilised fore dday+3.
Thanks for trying to help.

 

Thought keeps popping into my head.

Could he ,as a signaller, been attached to 141 RAC ?

 

A wargaming / modelling site refers to the armoured brigades in Normandy equipped with Churchill tanks as:

From: Churchill Tanks in NW Europe 1944-45 (Part 2)

A little more indirect help IMHO:

From: https://www.noonans.co.uk/auctions/...lcollectionpart_id=1345&sort=Estimate_Reverse

Alas 141 RAC's War Diary does not show when the rest of the unit landed in Normandy. See: 141st Royal Armoured Corps June 1944, War Diary » Normandy War Guide

The snag you have is that individual Other Ranks rarely feature in War Diaries, unless they are killed, wounded and recommended for a medal.

It is possible that those who research the Normandy landings in details can identify when 141 RAC Signals landed after D-Day. I would be amazed if a list of names will exist.

I see the Bristol Normandy Veterans FB site has request for relatives to make contact.

The only way to establish what unit(s) Stanley Jarvis served with is to obtain his Service Record, which normally list any secondment or attachment to a particular regiment. I cannot see any other way to establish who he served with.

 

The only unit that I know of with that number is: No. 141 Despatch Rider Section.
Recorded as Home Forces, however. War diaries: WO 166/15574 & WO 166/17135.
(Also of course Force 141 Signals (Allied Force Headquarters) but nowhere near Normandy!)

 

fantastic thank you everyone. He was a Post Office engineer and after the war lived in Bristol. He may originally been from Sussex as there are 3 possible birth records.He was born 1924,died 2005 I know from previous research that if they were attached to a "fighting " unit they took the designation of that regiment, then RSC so the info about the Buffs works for me esp as he sailed from Southampton. He stayed in for 9 years, so was probably not called up. He could also have been seconded to the 1st Canadian Army who landed next to King Red D+3.
I will end this thread as I have to move onto other names on the Pillar.
Thanks everyone

 

thank you The 50 DIV H.Q war diary has an entry for 11th June that shows that 141st RAC landed a troop on Dday+3.

 

Full unit title: 141st Regiment Royal Armoured Corps Signal Section.

 

Hi,
In 1944 there were at least four units in the Royal Corps of Signals that were numbered “141”.

141 Line Section - Allotted to 14 Air Formation Signals
141 Line Maintenance Section - Allotted to Second Army.
141 D.R. Section
141 Wireless Section (Medium)

It looks like there are no War Diaries at Kew apart from the one mentioned by NickMet in post No 10.

Landing times for 141st Regiment Royal Armoured Corps (The Buffs).

6th June
Two Troops from “C” Squadron land. 15 Troop lands at H + 35 and 13 Troop lands at H + 45.
Skeleton HQ and echelon land.

22nd and 23rd June
HQ, “A” and “B” Squadron land in France

24th June
Remainder of “C” Squadron land in France.

Regards

Danny

 

thanks. cannot assume with the buffs.
will work with what I have