11 Rounds in 4 Seconds from a Lee Enfield .303

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  1. Charley Fortnum

    Charley Fortnum Dreaming of Red Eagles

    This chap demonstrates (among other things) the middle-finger technique (so to speak) here. It's pretty smooth, but it'd take some getting used to, I'd hazard.



    Note: I have no idea what hybrid this actually is.
     
  2. Old Git

    Old Git Harmless Curmudgeon

    IIRC correctly there's an incidence at Louvain in 1940 when the RUR where stationed there. The Germans came up on the RUR, first in a Motorcycle combo and later in force, but where initially very wary of coming on because of the sustained accurate fire they were receiving from RUR positions. IIRC the Germans were convinced the RUR troops were all armed with automatic weapons because of the level of fire they were coming under and this is what made them so leery of sticking their noses out. Later there was much hand to hand combat in and around the train depot where the Germans learned, the hard way, the folly of upsetting the Ulstermen before they'd had their scran!
     
  3. Harry Ree

    Harry Ree Very Senior Member

    Rifle magazines....my RAF issue of many years ago was a Remington Rand .303 dated 1917.its capacity was a 5 round clip but with an option of a further round up the spout.

    Looking at its history,it probably would have been one of those arms supplied in the Great War to GB by the US...returned to the US after the Great War then supplied back to GB after the fall of France.

    Refreshing the account of the No 4 Commando successful action to destroy the battery at Varengerville sur Mer during the Dieppe raid,the War Office produced notes in February 1943.

    An extract taken from Lessons Learnt outlined in "The Commando Pocket Manual 1940-1945" is as below.

    Rifle....the large number of Germans who fell to our rifles had had their death sentences signed many months before when the commando struggled to perfection in judging distance and shooting straight.

    Bren gun.....the Bren gun did what was expected of it.Thanks to concentration on judging distance,accuracy of fire,and the use of cover,many Germans were killed by Bren fire.Considerable training in firing it from the hip during the assault produced striking results.

    Incidentally there is a comprehensive instruction document issued by the War Office, dated 15 July 1942 on the Thompson Machine Carbine.

    http://www.itbs.co.uk/The Commando Pocket Manual (1940-1945).pdf
     
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  4. Dave55

    Dave55 Very Senior Member

    Hi Harry

    Remington Rand, the typewriter company, was the largest supplier of 1911A1 pistols in WWII. They were a different company from Remington Arms, which made P14 Enfields in .303 and M1917 Enfields in 30-06 during WWI. They weren't around until the late 1920s.

    Just a little info tidbit :)
     
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  5. Harry Ree

    Harry Ree Very Senior Member

    Thanks Dave for correction....all these years I thought it was Remington Rand....certainly as I remember.it was stamped Remington with the date of manufacture as1917.
     
  6. Charley Fortnum

    Charley Fortnum Dreaming of Red Eagles

    Modern experiments with Lee-Enfield mad minutes:




    I learnt quite a lot from this chap bloke.

    He reckons 1.56 sec per aimed shot during rapid firing with a No.4 (rifle pre-loaded, targets at c. 20m)

    He does 26 rounds/min and calculates that when you strip out his errors you get an optimum average of a round every 2.35 secs when you include best plausible reload times.
     
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  7. canuck

    canuck Token Colonial Patron

    I shall have to give this a try with my Lee-Enfield at the range. Interested in his remarks about modern ammo. I learned from experience that you must be precise in loading the magazine and staggering the rounds to avoid rim jams.
    I learned to shoot and hunt from some old army types who always insisted that our first gun (rifle and shotgun) be a single shot. The philosophy being accuracy first and rate of fire second.
     
  8. Charley Fortnum

    Charley Fortnum Dreaming of Red Eagles

    You may find this interesting then:

     
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  9. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    Spotted this and thought I would post it here for ...... well not sure really

    Charger Loading Lee-Enfield - CLLE

    The current world record for aimed bolt-action fire was set in 1914 by a musketry instructor in the British Army — Sergeant Instructor Snoxall — who placed 38 rounds into a 12" target at 300 yards (270 m) in one minute.



    TD
     
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  10. Charley Fortnum

    Charley Fortnum Dreaming of Red Eagles

    More from the channel above, this time about official British doctrine for shooting at close range (10-15 yds). Technique looks awkward to me, but they are scoring hits!



    Alternatively...

     
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  11. Charley Fortnum

    Charley Fortnum Dreaming of Red Eagles

    Part Two is now up:

     
  12. Charley Fortnum

    Charley Fortnum Dreaming of Red Eagles

    Very interesting stuff here about personal kit and ammunition carrying.

     
  13. Swiper

    Swiper Resident Sospan

    Quite a few half-truths and re-enactorisms within, in part as chap on the right is wearing gear for NWE where ammunition scales dramatically shifted.
     
  14. Charley Fortnum

    Charley Fortnum Dreaming of Red Eagles

    Latest video covers 'Advanced snap shooting drill [1944]':

    This involved firing initially from the kneeling position at a larger target 90yds away, with the target being exposed for just two metres.

    The soldier must then advanced to successively shorter ranges and engage smaller targets from the standing positions, targets again exposed for just two seconds.

    Bloody tricky, I'd say.

    Two versions:


     
  15. Charley Fortnum

    Charley Fortnum Dreaming of Red Eagles

    This Aussie can handle a Lee-Enfield like a beast. There's a bit of shooting at the start, but if you aren't interested in the chat jump ahead to 1:07:40--there's a brilliant-looking multiple stage "obstacle-course" shooting practice.

     
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