на підтримку України-In Support of Ukraine

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  1. Uncle Jack

    Uncle Jack Member

    Reminds me of “In these times” Title of the book by Jenny Uglow about the French/Napoleonic war time 1795 to1815
     
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  2. Quarterfinal

    Quarterfinal Well-Known Member

    Remember her on peacekeeping support:
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    ..... load on this occasion:
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    Good people.
     

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  3. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    That's not her, only 4 engines.
    225 had 6.

    I'd say your photo is a An-124
     
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  4. Quarterfinal

    Quarterfinal Well-Known Member

    Indeed. My mistake for not being ‘airframes.’ Still good people and another wretched waste, even in the enormity of scales elsewhere in the Ukraine.
     
  5. Confirmed Russian tank losses have just reached the 410 mark, which is one day ahead of the observed average 10 tanks a day since the beginning of the war, no doubt a result of the hasty retreat from the North of Kiev, as pointed by stolpi above.

    Replenishing units with mothballed tanks from strategic stocks would have been the obvious answer, but... the moths seem to have eaten up most of the balls, and then tank parts too, apparently driving the commander of 13th Tank Regiment to shoot himself:

    https://charter97.org/en/news/2022/3/26/460781/

    Well, at least one Russian officer dying with honour, hopefully setting an example for his comrades.
     
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  6. TTH

    TTH Senior Member

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  7. stolpi

    stolpi Well-Known Member

    Russian material losses as of today 04/04/2022 compared with those of 2 days ago - 02/04/22
    (according to Oryx - these are just verified losses, real numbers are probably higher):


    Total: 2413 (+170)
    (Though both sides are regrouping and there is less fighting going on, the numbers now are soaring up as UA regain more territory).

    Tanks 424 (+35)
    Armoured Fighting Vehicles 279 (+14)
    Infantry Fighting Vehicles 411 (+36)
    Armoured Personnel Carriers 87 (+6)
    Mine-Resistant Ambush Protected (MRAP) Vehicles 19 (+2)
    Infantry Mobility Vehicles 79 (+5)
    Communications Stations 16 (+2)
    Engineering Vehicles 81 (+6)
    Heavy Mortars 11
    Towed Artillery 49 (+2)
    Self-Propelled Artillery 80 (+14)
    Multiple Rocket Launchers 46 (+3)
    Anti-Aircraft Guns 3
    Self-Propelled Anti-Aircraft Guns 11
    Surface-To-Air Missile Systems 43 (+2)
    Radars 7 (+3)
    Jammers And Deception Systems 6
    Aircraft 20 (+3)
    Helicopters 38
    Unmanned Aerial Vehicles 21 (+2)
    Naval Ships 3
    Logistics Trains 2
    Trucks, Vehicles and Jeeps 716 (+37)
    Unknown vehicles 34

    Oryx stopped the count of Anti-Tank Guided Missiles (76) and Man-Portable Air Defence Systems (24 ); they are no longer listed, probably because the numbers captured are too large.


    Re Ukrainian losses: the UA for security reasons is less forthcoming with numbers. As is explained in the video below.The video nevertheless attempts to give an estimate of the condition of the UA units.



    Ukraine has won the Battle of Kyiv. Russian forces are completing their withdrawal, but not in good order. Ukrainian forces are continuing to clear Kyiv Oblast of isolated Russian troops left behind in the retreat, which some Ukrainian officials describe as “lost orcs.” Russian forces had attempted to conduct an orderly retreat from their positions around Kyiv with designated covering forces supported by artillery and mines to allow the main body to withdraw. The main body of Russian troops has withdrawn from the west bank of the Dnipro and is completing its withdrawal from the east bank, but the retrograde has been sufficiently disorderly that some Russian troops were left behind.

    In the meantime the war is far from over. A new threat emerges in the SE of Ukraina. Heavy fighting around the bridgehead of Izium and more activity SW of Donetsk, may be the prelude for a new offensive against UA in the Donbas region. The terrain in the south, with flat open steppe country, is in favour of the rA. Hopefully the thaw sets so that 'general mud' will be able to side with the defenders and hamper the progress of the rA, since the UA probably will face another if not a bigger challenge.

    Ukrainian mud:
     
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  8. Andreas

    Andreas Working on two books

    I'm not buying the 'flat terrain benefits the RA' narrative. The UAF have pushed back hard over flat terrain in the Mykolayiv/Kherson sector and stopped the RA cold there.

    People really need to get with the programme here. The RA air farce is AWOL, and movement of small- medium UAF forces in all terrains is not interdicted by the RA.

    All the best

    Andreas
     
  9. stolpi

    stolpi Well-Known Member

    The absence of the russian AF is one of the great riddles of this war.

    Re the 'flat-country-theory': the UA attacks against the Cherson bridgehead (so I make up from the media) thusfar have been repelled because of the rA concentration of forces in the area. The open country (combined with fire superiority of the rA) seems to be a factor that contributed to this. No covered approaches for the UA.
     
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  10. DianeE

    DianeE Member

    Sadly South Africa is on the list. The ANC has had the support of Russia (and China) for years and is too cowardly to take a stance against Russia.


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  11. Andreas

    Andreas Working on two books

    I think that's misreading it. The UAF is NOT in the business of assaulting RF positions where the RF is not already feeling like they want to leave anyway and Kherson is that place. The UAF know it will not work for them to expose themselves to firepower like what can be generated by the RF. It doesn't matter where that is. What I was getting at was that they can roam the open country pretty freely and hammer the RF if they stick their neck out. Voznesensk', Bashtanka, Mykolayiv and the repeat strikes on Kherson airfield all are testament to that. They did push the RF back by over 50-60km over this open country, which is why there is now a question over an RF bridgehead at Kherson, rather than at Voznesensk' or Mykolayiv.

    That's some pretty inspired soldiering that went on there, and they have the RF on the back hoof in terrain that should instead be a slam dunk for the orcs.

    All the best

    Andreas
     
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  12. ltdan

    ltdan Nietenzähler

    The Ukrainian army has so far proved to be a really remarkably motivated, smart and professional army of the 21st century, even setting quite interesting new standards in some areas.

    The Russian "army" (cough), on the other hand, seems to have fallen back into the traditions of 1945....
    At least as far as disproportionate own casualties, rape, looting and pillaging are concerned.
    However, it has neither Zhukov, nor enormous supplies from the Wallies, nor comparable masses of human ressources to waste

    So, if I were to place a bet
     
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  13. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    I fear the "its to good to be true"

    I am hoping that the Ukranian army can continue its push in all the required areas and kick the killers out.

    The russian regime will never be forgiven along with the countries that have not spoken out against the war in Ukraine.

    The ICC Situations under investigation need to get a jog on and state this is a war crime.
     
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  14. ltdan

    ltdan Nietenzähler

    Off the top of my head I can think of a roughly comparable precedent case:
    Six-Day War | Definition, Causes, History, Summary, Outcomes, & Facts

    Basically, I also tend to assume the worst case scenario
    But our dear Vladimir is the Russian Gröfaz who, according to the state of affairs, absolutely wants to celebrate a victory parade on 9 May.
    Well, I know something about German experiences on the subject of a Gröfaz and his influence on military affairs....

    Just sayin'
     
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  15. ltdan

    ltdan Nietenzähler

    Because in so many ways it fits so damn well with these times
     
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  16. Andreas

    Andreas Working on two books

    The real issue has now become, as you expected Izyum. The question will be how well the reconstituted BTGs do around there, and how much of their A-Team the UAF kept in reserve, and how much of it they are willing to send down south from Kyiv, Chernihiv, Kharkiv.

    The only way to get the RF to give up the region south of the Dnepr will be to threaten the DPR/LPR's existence, in my view. If the UAF has held back enough forces to deal with the RF penetration at Izyum and then advance beyond the line of contact, things will get interesting. Otherwise there'll be a stalemate with a much larger part of Ukraine becoming a Russian mobster republic.

    All the best

    Andreas
     
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  17. ltdan

    ltdan Nietenzähler

    Well, nothing is known for sure

    In this context:
    Does anyone actually know how much Javelin the UA has consumed?
    I only ever see Stugna-P in action (which are also quite capable).

    Apparently, however, both are very effective against the remotely operated tank turret (ROTT) of Russian tanks, which at best can only move 15-20 m away from the mother vehicle before they are successfully engaged by these systems as numerous pictures prove.
    Or have I misunderstood something here?
     
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  18. Andreas

    Andreas Working on two books

    I understand that western ANALysts believed that the ROTT could not just fly, but that it also goes deep by burrowing, undertunnelling enemy positions, although this may only have been on the Armata. The same people also expected that the ROTT could deliver 3-men teams over a distance of up to 1.5km to provide distant cover to advancing BTGs. Turns out that was just so much rot.

    All the best

    Andreas
     
  19. Andreas

    Andreas Working on two books

    Only one of these two is being exported by Ukraine.

    All the best

    Andreas
     
  20. alberk

    alberk Well-Known Member

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