Hebrew National Schools. Birmingham

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  1. High Wood

    High Wood Well-Known Member

    I know that this isn't military related but I am absolutely unable to identify the young man named on the certificate. I cannot find a birth, marriage or death notification for a Solomon Lieman.

    I am wondering if I am reading the name correctly or if it is an anglicised translation of a Russian/Polish Jewish surname that was written differently on the birth certificate.

    Could the Lieman be Leman? or Zieman? There are Liemans, Lemans and Ziemans amongst the birth notifications, but no Solomon Liemans anywhere on Ancestry or FMP.

    I am also wondering if the name wasn't changed to a more "English" one at some point around the turn of the century but a search of the London Gazette gives no results.

    Either way, a £5 prize was a considerable amount of money in 1896 so Solomon, like his namesake, must have been a bright lad.

    Any help in identifying him would be appreciated.

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  2. High Wood

    High Wood Well-Known Member

  3. Chris C

    Chris C Canadian

    I think it's entirely plausible that the last name is Zieman.
     
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  4. 4jonboy

    4jonboy Daughter of a 56 Recce

    I read it as Solomon Lieman
     
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  5. High Wood

    High Wood Well-Known Member

    I cannot find any Solomon Liemans or Ziemans

    I wonder if it is possible that family names may be given first as I have found a possible candidate albeit that Lieman is spelt Leman. He would have been 15 in 1896.

    Births Jun 1880
    SOLOMON
    Leman Saunders Headington 3a 710
     
  6. davidbfpo

    davidbfpo Patron Patron

    Have you tried the two main Jewish synagogues in Birmingham? One Orthodox and the other non-Orthodox. They may have a library which can help. There is a Jewish Cemetery too, owned by B'ham City Council at Witton.
     
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  7. High Wood

    High Wood Well-Known Member

    Thank you for that I will contact them. However, I am a little confused as to why Saunders Solomon's family seem to disappear from the BMD and census records after 1881. Did they emigrate en masse or did they change their names? If they died in the U.K. there ought to be an official death notification somewhere.

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  8. Tony56

    Tony56 Member Patron

    What about Solomon ZEIMAN who is in the 1939 Register, dob 3 May 1882, that would make him 14 in 1896. Living at 53 Villa Road, Birmingham, he died 6 November 1970, same address.

    Believe his birth was registered as Solomon Ziman in Dover, Q2 1882.

    In 1891 he was living at 3 Tyndall Street, Birmingham. Can't find this on modern maps but there is a Tindal Street that happens to be a mile from King David School, 250 Alcester Street that was the former Hebrew National School.

    Our school

    Edit: The 1891 census puts Tyndall Street in the St Paul's district, off Camden Street. This is in the Jewellery quarter, Solomon and his father were in that trade. There are suggestions that Tyndall St was renamed Sloane St.

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    This is further away from the school but not unreasonable considering his likely faith. His mother and father, Jacob and Annie were born "Russian, Poland".

     
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  9. Tony56

    Tony56 Member Patron

    1915 (+ others) Kelly's Directory:
     

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  10. 4jonboy

    4jonboy Daughter of a 56 Recce

    Looking at the 1881 census above, do you not think his name is Lieman Solomon, not the other way round? If you look at the other names, the Christian name comes first, then Solomon is all written as the surname. Or am I going bonkers?o_O
     
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  11. Tony56

    Tony56 Member Patron

    Don't even think it, just have a G&T to clear your head. By the way you're correct, Solomon is surname.
     
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  12. High Wood

    High Wood Well-Known Member

    Tony,

    many thanks, that is just the sort of breakthrough that I needed to move this research onwards. I will see what else I can find out about him.

    Simon.
     
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  13. High Wood

    High Wood Well-Known Member

    I was certainly wondering about this issue as I have absolutely no knowledge of Jewish naming traditions, however, I have found this on the internet: Patronymic - Wikipedia

    It might also be a simple case of the 'school register' order of names, i.e. family name first.
     
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