2656706 C J WARD, 3rd Coldstream Guards - Wounded 6th February 1941

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  1. SteveB

    SteveB Member

    Hi

    I am interested in what the 3rd Coldstream Guards may have been doing on 6th February 1941. I read elsewhere on the forum they were based in Cairo at this time. I have an interest in 2656706 Gdsmn C J Ward, who appears in casualty reports, along with a colleague, as being wounded on this date.
    Would welcome any information/thoughts on this.
    Thanks
    Steve
     
  2. dbf

    dbf Moderatrix MOD

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  3. SteveB

    SteveB Member

    Thanks for the reply. And thanks for the link to the book, have saved that link.
    Steve
     
  4. Tullybrone

    Tullybrone Senior Member

    Hi,

    I haven’t got access to the casualty list. Does it say he was wounded in action (or accidentally wounded)?

    If he was wounded in action on that date it is likely he was attached to another unit and away from the Battalion.

    IIRC G Patrol LRDG personnel were shown on Casualty Lists under their parent regiment designation.

    My father served with 3rd CG from the outbreak of war until his capture in December 1941 but I know that CG Personnel were attached to various other units during that time including Royal Signals & CMP and to higher level units at Brigade & Divisional level.

    The answer will be in his service record.

    Steve

    PS

    Who was the other man?
     
  5. SteveB

    SteveB Member

    Hi
    It just says wounded, and in Middle East. The other person was 2657833 S.W.F. Talbot.

    Steve
     
  6. Tullybrone

    Tullybrone Senior Member

    Thanks. Both men are pre war regular soldiers. From their army service numbers I’d say Ward enlisted circa late 1935/early 1936 and Talbot circa March/April 1937.

    If they originally went to Egypt with 3rd CG in Nov 1937 (tight timescale for Talbot as he would’ve had to complete 5 months recruit training at The Guards Depot before reaching his Battalion) and served in Palestine on active service Oct 1938/April 1939 you may find them listed in the Palestine Medal Rolls.

    The medal roll is often annotated to show if a man transferred out of the Regiment or was attached elsewhere (or was a deserter or discharged sick/injured etc).

    On the other hand they could’ve been serving in another Battalion in England pre war and had been part of a draft sent out to Egypt after September 1939.

    Steve
     
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  7. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    UK, Military Campaign Medal and Award Rolls, 1793-1949
    Name: C J Ward
    Service Date: 1936-1939
    Service Place: Palestine
    Campaign or Service: Palestine
    Regiment or Unit Name: Coldstream Guards
    Regimental Number: 2656706

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  8. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    Slight problem with spelling his name right

    UK, Military Campaign Medal and Award Rolls, 1793-1949
    Name: S W F Tablot
    Service Date: 1936-1939
    Service Place: Palestine
    Campaign or Service: Palestine
    Regiment or Unit Name: Coldstream Guards
    Regimental Number: 2657833

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  9. Tullybrone

    Tullybrone Senior Member

    Thanks for that Richard.

    It doesn’t help the OP but I recognised a few of the names on each sheet.

    My Dad used to meet Ted Waiting post war. He was in Cumberland Constabulary.

    He was great friends with Ray Sweeney who was in his Squad at The Guards Depot. He was an Australian merchant seaman who jumped ship in London to join up in January 1937. My father wrote to RHQ CG post war to see what became of him after he deserted but heard nothing back. I’m hoping CG follow the lead of SG and put their service files on FMP so I can research him myself.

    Steve
     
  10. SteveB

    SteveB Member

    Thanks for your replies. There's a record on FMP that shows Gdsmn Ward was discharged in 1942, so presumably his wounds were serious.
    Steve
     
  11. SteveB

    SteveB Member

    Just to update slightly, FMP have added some extra Coldstream Guards records this week.
    They confirm CJ Ward received a severe GS wound to the right arm on 6.2.1941. His colleague SWF Talbot is on the same report as receiving a slight GS wound to the head on the same day.
    Presumably then they were both serving with another unit at the time.
    Steve
     
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  12. Tullybrone

    Tullybrone Senior Member

    Thanks for the update. Hopefully FMP will obtain all pre 1939 CG service files in the not too distant future, to go with their existing portfolio of SG service files, and you will get the answer to your query.

    Steve
     
  13. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot 1940 Obsessive

    The battalion war diary has them in Cairo as mentioned but nothing on anyone being wouned on the 6th Feb 1941.
     
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