Stolpi, Herrlisheim, is mentioned at some pictures. but not 100% sure. On Panzernet there is a second image of this one. Panzerwrecks
Already thought that it was not Holland, because of the wooden 'telegraph' poles (?) on the road rise which are not typical Dutch.
They look round to me ... but concrete telegraph poles also are not typical over here. Ground conditions are such, that most cables can be buried.
Anyone any ideas what may have caused both track to have broken at the same time? At least I suppose this is what happened as the remains on both sides only lay on top and right up to the driving wheel... Apart from this: wooden poles did and even still do exist in some places in Holland.
Not sure about the tracks but that Panther looks as though it has been cannibalised and pushed sideways off the road: tracks stacked, muzzle break missing.....
If the final drive has seized then then the wheels are rendered inoperable. Remove the track and it will roll on the road wheels. It makes towing so much easier and obviously the Panther has been towed (backwards thus the track is left in front of the tank) into a ditch to clear the road.
Bedee - I'm confused now ; on Panzerwrecks the pictures actually have the following subtitles: "Holanda. Diciembre de 1944. Panther Ausf. G lleva el camuflaje del tipo Hinterhalt para MAN o para MNH." See: Panzerwrecks Seems this picture was taken in Holland in Dec 1944.
When you search this image you will find some links, they mention Herrlisheim. But no 100% proof. But after your reply on this, i did another search and http://histomil.com/viewtopic.php?f=343&t=1533&p=73048&hilit=panther#p73048 Look at the Track, the missing Nozzle and the open mudguard rightside front. This is the same. US soldiers in the trench / ditch. But in a different season of the year. Doesn't look like the Netherlands.... or.
They did a better job on the first picture you posted, the cameraman has his head down. I advised the professors at Purdue that this was how you could tell if it was posed. If the cameraman is ahead of the troops or not worrying about cover, it's a "setup". My favorite example is the encirclement of Stalingrad. The cameraman is in the exact position to capture first contact between the wings. So he had to be ahead of them to be there on time.
You are quite right ... same tank, different season and staged photograph ... but the location?? I thought the location might be somewhere near the village of Elst in the Betuwe (which is located halfway between Nijmegen and Arnhem) ... based on the assumption that the picture is somehow related to the next ones which were taken on the western outskirts of the village, along the Valburgsestraat: Is this the same Panther as in the above pictures? ... the landscape seems to fit ... even the Americans are present (101st US Airborne Division). Unfortunately the picture is none too clear, but the tank might have been towed away towards the road, where it ended up in the ditch. Would almost have been perfect ... but for the missing telegraph poles along the road ... the Panther in the picture belonged to KG Knaust, which defended Elst in Sept 44 against the 43rd Wessex Division. Then there are these pictures somewhat further down the road towards Valburg ... where the Tiger tanks of the s.Pz.Kp. Hummel were massacred by the British ... note: (wooden) telegraph poles!!!
Stolpi - I think you had the same idea as me i.e. dust off the old After the Battle (Operation Market Garden Then and Now). The photo initially reminded me of the stretch of road near Wolfswinkel just north of Son. However, none of the photos of knocked out Panzerbrigade 107 Panthers in ATB match the photo. I think you may be right that the photo you posted with the prisoners marching past is the same Panther. Background treeline and houses look similar. Isn't it possible the poles were put there after this photo was taken, either by the Brits, Americans or Dutch? Caption for prisoner photo says it was taken a month after it was knocked out, putting the approximate date October 1944. Initial photo could have been taken much later, judging by the state of the Panther.
Stolpi, According from what i see on the pictures, i think this is not the same panther. 1st Photo, No Ditch to see, Nozzle of Panther still in place, But the House in the background makes the difference. Compare this with Picture KO Panther, there are no houses so close in the backbround. And wrong angle. 2nd & 3th Photo, the tree line in the back makes the difference. Much higher and not lined as in th KO Panther picture. Bedee
Modern day street view from Valburgseweg, which looks to be a new road. Possibility? https://www.google.nl/maps/@51.9161...4!1s2c_GAJjOw2HoFLUMI3MJ9w!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
smdarby - the modern day view is right on spot as far as the location the picture below is concerned. But I think Bedee is right; the shape of the farm builing in the background doesn't fit. Also the telegraph poles are missing.
