1st Bn The King's Regiment, (Liverpool), Chindits.

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  1. Jungle Jackie

    Jungle Jackie Member

    Thank you Steve, Simon and HC for your replies to my last post. I look forward to meeting with - some or all of - you hopefully next year in Walsall! I've looked at your website Steve - fabulous tribute. Thank you to all of you for the magnificent work you are all doing to pay homage to the men of these forces and ensure that they will not be forgotten and that there will be a place where memories can be shared and most importantly where your researches will be enshrined for the benefit of many, many others. I am finding myself engrossed now in reading all your threads!
    Yes, I would be interested to know Simon if any of my Dad's RW mates transferred into 1KLR with him. So if it's not too much trouble to you, please post those 29 names. Or if it suits you better, I would be very happy to list the names I have from Dad's photos. Whatever is best for you, as I am sure your time is very precious.
    Thank you.
    Jackie
     
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  2. bamboo43

    bamboo43 Very Senior Member

    Thanks Jackie,

    It is quite amazing how many family enquiries have come to Simon's thread over such a relatively short period. I think it is into double figures checking back over the previous posts.
     
  3. High Wood

    High Wood Well-Known Member

    I have 2 men called Holmes on my database but neither one fits the bill.

    5620719 Devonshire Regt HQ Pte Holmes T HQ Coy DMR

    3770771 The King's Regt C CSM Holmes C C Coy DMR
     
  4. High Wood

    High Wood Well-Known Member

    [QUOTE="Jungle Jackie, post: 768079, member: 69349
    Yes, I would be interested to know Simon if any of my Dad's RW mates transferred into 1KLR with him. So if it's not too much trouble to you, please post those 29 names.
    [/QUOTE]

    The date in front of a name signifies a recorded event such as a death or wounding. Those names without dates are taken from medal rolls or similar official documentation. A, C, HQ are the companies listed on the medal rolls.

    05-06/03/1944 5127468 R Warwickshire Regt 20B Pte Wykes Cyril KiA glider crashed before reaching Broadway
    28/03/1944 5127852 R Warwickshire Regt HQ Pte French A R Wounded 28/03/1944. HQ Coy DMR
    28/03/1944 5115070 R Warwickshire Regt Pte Hewitt A Wounded 28/03/1944 & 23/05/1944
    29/03/1944 5113716 R Warwickshire Regt Pte Jukes J Wounded 29/03/1944 13th battalion
    29/03/1944 5116833 R Warwickshire Regt Pte Paskin T Message 4800 23/04/1944. Casualty List Pte Paskin. A Coy DMR
    25/04/1944 5116336 R Warwickshire Regt Pte Perrin William Arthur Died India 29/04/1944. Message 5103 25/04/1944: The u/m sick personnel are being evacuated: 5116336 Pte Perrin. A
    29/04/1944 5116336 R Warwickshire Regt Pte Perrin William Arthur DoW
    19/05/1944 5119470 R Warwickshire Regt Pte Youson Walter J At Namsun. Gave evidence RE: Pte Choules.
    20/05/1944 5127424 R Warwickshire Regt Pte Kinsell Bert KiA Namsun account by Pte J Coogan
    21/05/1944 5126958 R Warwickshire Regt L/Cpl Lowe Sidney KiA
    24/05/1944 5127908 R Warwickshire Regt Pte Steadman H C Wounded 24/05/1944.
    25/05/1944 5119066 R Warwickshire Regt Pte Iddon Robert KiA
    25/05/1944 5119338 R Warwickshire Regt Pte McCann James KiA
    26/05/1944 5110538 R Warwickshire Regt Pte Greenhill F Wounded & remained at duty 26/05/1944
    09/06/1944 5126871 R Warwickshire Regt Pte Garrett L At Blackpool 25/05/1944. Gave evidence RE: 09/06/1944 Pte Kendall falling out of march from Indawgi to Mokso. A Coy Dehra Dun Photo
    14/06/1944 5126330 R Warwickshire Regt 82 Pte Zecca Mario D A Wounded 14/06/1944. FDTD page 92 close friend of Pte Bondonno
    18/06/1944 5116338 R Warwickshire Regt 82 L/Cpl Pickering Thomas Albert Wounded 18/06/1944. Naungkaiktaw. Cpl Tom Pickering WITW Page 213? From Nuneaton. 10 platoon mate of Fred Holliday
    18/06/1944 5116711 R Warwickshire Regt Pte Williams G G Wounded 18/06/1944 Naungkaiktaw
    30/07/1944 5110477 R Warwickshire Regt Pte Naylor Raymond George KiA
    5116467 R Warwickshire Regt A Pte Gardner F A Coy DMR
    5129655 R Warwickshire Regt A Pte Rowland J A Coy DMR
    5111691 R Warwickshire Regt A Cpl Willis W A Coy DMR
    5115313 R Warwickshire Regt C Cpl Horton Leslie Fred C Coy DMR. Friend of Joe Milner.
    5119152 R Warwickshire Regt C Pte Robinson A C Coy DMR
    5115945 R Warwickshire Regt HQ C/Sgt Dunbavin Joseph Henry HQ Coy DMR
    5127127 R Warwickshire Regt HQ Pte Griffiths C HQ Coy DMR
    5119124 R Warwickshire Regt HQ Pte Parkinson J HQ Coy DMR
    5113642 R Warwickshire Regt HQ Pte Thomas G HQ Coy DMR
     
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  5. High Wood

    High Wood Well-Known Member

    The King's Regiment (Liverpool) is certainly very likely given his place of birth.

    Births Sep 1916
    Holmes James J Mooney 527 West Derby
     
  6. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    Confirmation HW
    England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
    Name: James Joseph Holmes
    Death Age: 74
    Birth Date: 6 Aug 1916
    Registration Date: Nov 1990
    Registration district: Liverpool
    Inferred County: Merseyside
    Volume: 36
    Page: 521

    TD
     
  7. Jungle Jackie

    Jungle Jackie Member

    Hello Simon,

    Thank you so much for taking the trouble to list the RW names for me. Sadly, none match those of on the 1940 group photo which I have. Nevertheless, it was interesting to be able to see names of some men who may have crossed paths with my father.

    I have since found a separate bunch of photos, from Dad's time in Stourton in 1943. Just in case you have any of these men in your KLR listings and a photo of them would be useful for you - a long shot, I guess, but their names are:

    Harold Fletcher ("Abe")
    ? Tideswell
    ? Watershouse ("Wagger")
    Andrew Leech ("Andy")
    ? Smith (Smudge")

    Thank you.
    Jackie
     
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  8. For the 1st Battalion King's Data Base
    I recently discovered this site. My father 3778273 Sgt Thomas Stephens was a member of 81 Column in Operation Thursday. He was one of the first ones in and the last ones out. He was in the first wave of gliders into Broadway and was evacuated at the very end of the campaign. He was one of the small group of soldiers who survived the whole ordeal and were flown back to India and assessed for fitness for further service, which he was. I have his medals, service record, orange silk map and an ordnance survey-type paper map of Mogaung and the area to its south-west. My son now proudly owns his kukri. Tom told me that his closest army friend (Jack Shaw, also 1st Batt King's L'pool) was in the second glider behind his tug. Shaw's glider cut loose early and drifted out over the Burmese jungle, never to be seen again. In the early 1990's, Tom tracked down Shaw's widow (Amy) and was able to tell her what happened to her husband. Tom died on January 7th 1996, ten days short of his 82nd birthday. Jack Shaw's widow attended his funeral.
    Regards
    Robert
     
  9. bamboo43

    bamboo43 Very Senior Member

    Hello Robert,

    Wonderful that you found this site and thank you for the information about your father. Jack Shaw was in Glider No. 20B, which as you say cut loose too early just after they had crossed the Chindwin River. One report states that the glider crashed into a tree, killing instantly all but three of the men.

    It would be interesting to learn more about your father and his time in Burma. Do you have a photograph of him from those days at all?

    Here is a listing of the men aboard Glider 20B on the 5th March 1944.

    20B.JPG
     
  10. Hebridean Chindit

    Hebridean Chindit Lost in review... Patron

    Welcome to the mix...! There were a lot of glider losses...
     
  11. Thanks. My father always wondered what happened to Jack Shaw (did he survive, was he taken as a POW etc?). They enlisted on the 24th of June 1940 at Formby Barracks, just north of Liverpool. They arrived in India on March 20th 1941. We used to have a photograph of Jack in India. I think that my family gave it to his widow.
    I had the honour of exchanging a couple of e-mails with Jack Lindo, just before he died. He remembered my father from when they trained together in Ferezepor. He said that my father was "a good soldier and well respected."
    Tom did not talk about his time in Burma very often, but when he did, he was quite forthcoming, especially about how horrible it all was and how amazing, tough and brave the Chindits were as a fighting force.
    Attached is the only photograph I have. On the back, it says "India, November 1943."
    Cheers
    Robert
     

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  12. My father had the same recollection of being in a Waco glider as Jack Lindo did, although Jack missed the landing bit. The arrival at Broadway was total pandemonium according to my father. He was the designated co-pilot of his glider, although he had no idea about aviation. He said that his glider landed on a sand bar in a stream near the Broadway landing site. He credited this as being what kept them away from the mayhem of in-coming gliders crashing into ones that had already landed. The gliders also had a tendency to land and then tip up nose-first at the last moment, which pitched men, mules and equipment into the cockpit. The landings proved to be first most serious losses of life for the Chindits.
    Regards
    Robert
     
  13. bamboo43

    bamboo43 Very Senior Member

    Hi Robert,

    Jack Lindo was a lovely man. He was the very first Chindit veteran to help me in my research about my grandfather. He took a copy of Granddad's Army records to the Chindit Old Comrades dinner in 2007 and passed them around the various tables. These papers then came back to me with many handwritten notes of encouragement and advice.

    The glider landings at Broadway were extremely costly to the King's in particular and as you say many Waco craft ended up crash landing all over the Broadway site. You may have seen this already, but attached is an image of Face 6 of the Rangoon Memorial, showing amongst others, Jack Shaw.

    Best wishes

    Steve

    KINGS REGT.2OF3 copy.JPG
     
  14. Hi Paul,

    Sorry I didn't seen your intention for the new website earlier.

    I wonder if my Word document recording my Dad's time in 1st Kings, Column 81 would be of any help. I probably got a lot of it from your site and this forum anyway but there may be some stuff in it that might be new. It's quite long as I've also inserted some photos of his and from the internet, but I only did it for the family really.

    I'll attach it here just in case. I've also found his own copy of the battalion at Dehra Dun in 1945 tucked away in the loft so I actually had a copy all the time! It definitely is him on the end of the row, not the middle as stated.

    Keep up the good work!

    Lynne Moneypenny
    PS It won't let me attached a Word doc. If you're interested,I'll try saving it in another format and have another go.
     
  15. Hi Robert,

    I have a very similar photo of my Dad, Matt Moneypenny! I'll attach it for you. It is also dated November 1943.

    Lynne
     

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  16. Thanks Lynne
    It's the same background. I will check my father's service record to see if I can figure out where they were in November 1943.
    Cheers
    Robert
     
  17. bamboo43

    bamboo43 Very Senior Member

    Good to see you back on the forum, Lynne.
     
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  18. Hebridean Chindit

    Hebridean Chindit Lost in review... Patron

    Can't have your dad, Sgt Stephens, looking disheveled on parade... 'e'll be up on a charge...! :D
    (quickie tweak... we'd need to find a similar Chindit Sgt pic to clone over the other sleeve ;))
     

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  19. Thanks. I remember the photo from when I was a kid and it was not creased. We found the one that I posted when we cleaned to my mother's stuff a couple of years ago. It is in even worse condition than it appears. I have a high-end scanner that automatically fixes scratches and creases. The shot that I posted was the best that my scanner could do with it.
    Cheers
    Robert
     
  20. Hebridean Chindit

    Hebridean Chindit Lost in review... Patron

    Took about 20 minutes... no skin... :pipe:
    Kenny
     

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