Remembering Today 25/9/42 Fire and Trim:J.A.Rawlings,S.S. Empire Bell (South Shields) Merchant Navy

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  1. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

    Fireman and Trimmer RAWLINGS, JOHN ARTHUR
    Died 25/09/1942

    Aged 51

    S.S. Empire Bell (South Shields)
    Merchant Navy
    Casualty

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  2. Tricky Dicky

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    UK, Merchant Seamen Deaths, 1939 -1953
    Name: John Arthur Rawlings
    Age: 51
    Birth Date: abt 1891
    Birth Place: Hull, England
    Death Date: 25 Sep 1942
    Death Place: At Sea
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    Other lost on the same ship/incident
    UK, Shipping and Seamen WWI and WWII Rolls of Honour, 1914-1945
    Name: John Arthur Rawlings
    Death Date: 25 Sep 1942
    Death Country: United Kingdom


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  3. Tony56

    Tony56 Member Patron

    John Arthur Rawlings
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    I wonder if this is him?
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  4. Tricky Dicky

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    Tony

    I think it is although he died in the Merchant Navy are we saying in WW1 he was in the Royal Navy??:
    UK, Royal Navy Registers of Seamen's Services, 1848-1939
    Name: John Arthur Rawlings
    Gender: Male
    Birth Date: 19 Sep 1890
    Birth Place: Hull, Forks
    First Service Date: 11 Sep 1913
    First Ship Served On: Pembroke II
    Last Service Date: 10 Sep 1925
    Last Ship Served On: Pembroke II
    Service Number: K20692

    Medal listing of Rawlings, John Arthur Discharge number: R21911 Date of... | The National Archives
    Reference: BT 395/1/80503
    Description:
    Medal listing of Rawlings, John Arthur
    Discharge number: R21911
    Date of Birth: 19 September 1890
    Date: [1946-2002]
    Held by: The National Archives, Kew
    Legal status: Public Record(s)
    Closure status: Open Document, Open Description
    Access conditions: Open on Transfer

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  5. Hugh MacLean

    Hugh MacLean Senior Member

    Yes, it will be the same man. Left the RN in 1925 probably joined the MN around 1926/27.

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  6. Tony56

    Tony56 Member Patron

    Tricky

    Not saying that they are definitely one and the same, just suggesting that there are a lot of similarities worthy of further investigation for anyone researching this man:

    The similarities include; Full name/Date of birth/Birthplace/Height 5’ 3 ½”/Complexion and of course he was a naval man.
    Discrepancies; Eyes, one says grey other blue, and his service record doesn’t mention his tattoo.

    There is also an entry in the 1939 Register with the same date of birth.:
    38 Margaret Street, Hull (Apartment House)
    Rawlings, John A, dob 19 Sept 1890, single, Public works contractor’s labourer
    This would suggest he wasn’t serving at that time.


    Point of interest from his service record, HMS Yarmouth 14 Apr 1914 to 6 Apr 1918, this ship took part in the Battle of Jutland.
     
  7. Tricky Dicky

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    Tony - if Hugh says its the same man thats good enough for me

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