Pow camp in sherburn-in-elmet??

Discussion in 'Searching for Someone & Military Genealogy' started by Gerry's daughter, Jun 28, 2017.

  1. please can anyone give me any info on how to find out about the Pow camp?

    I can't seem to find any records yet knew someone who was in there.

    Many thanks
     
  2. Blutto

    Blutto Banned

    According to a Guardian article, which claims to be the definitive listing of POW camps (link at bottom),
    the following Yorkshire locations were used. Nearest I can see to Sherburn is Selby. I can find nothing about the Sherburn in Elmet airfield being used for POWS at the end of the war, as were some other surplus airfields used. I have also included a link to an interesting article on war time airfields.

    Gilling Camp, Hartforth Grange, Hartforth Lane, Gilling Yorkshire
    Racecourse Camp, Doncaster Yorkshire
    Racecourse Camp, Knavesmire, York Yorkshire
    Lodge Moor Camp, Redmires Road, Sheffield Yorkshire
    Bramham No.1 Camp, Bramham, Boston Spa Yorkshire
    Sandbeds Camp, Gateforth New Road, Brayton Yorkshire
    Overdale Camp, Skipton Yorkshire
    Storwood Camp, Storwood, Cottingwith Yorkshire
    Eden Camp, Old Malton, Malton Yorkshire
    Post Hill camp, Farnley, Leeds Yorkshire
    Thirkleby Camp, Sandhill, Little Thirkleby Yorkshire
    Scriven Hall camp, Scriven Knaresborough Yorkshire
    Racecourse Camp, Ripon Yorkshire
    Potter's Hill, High Green, Sheffield Yorkshire
    High Hall Camp, Bishop Burton, Beverley Yorkshire
    Welton House, Welton, Brough Yorkshire
    Butterwick Camp, Boythorpe Yorkshire
    Military Hospital, Naburn, York Yorkshire
    Butterwick Camp, Boythorpe Yorkshire
    Weston Lane Camp, Otley Yorkshire
    Dog and Duck Cottage, Norton-in-Malton Yorkshire
    Urebank Camp (Ure Bank), Ripon Yorkshire
    Butcher Hill, Horsforth, Leeds Yorkshire
    Weston Lane Camp, Otley Yorkshire
    Norton Camp, Cinderhill Lane, Norton, Sheffield Yorkshire
    Thorpe Hall, Rudston Yorkshire
    Ravensfield Park Camp, Rotherham Yorkshire
    Stable Road Camp, Barlow Yorkshire
    Searchlight Site Camp, Husthwaite, Easingwold Yorkshire
    Stadium Camp, Catterick Yorkshire
    Cowick Hall, West Cowick, Snaith Yorkshire
    Centenary Road, Goole Yorkshire
    Thomas Street Camp, Selby Yorkshire
    No.14 Armoured Fighting Vehicle Depot (A.F.V.D.), Burn, Selby Yorkshire
    Station Road, Tadcaster Yorkshire

    Every prisoner of war camp in the UK mapped and listed
    https://content.historicengland.org...concrete/nine-thousand-miles-of-concrete.pdf/
     
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  3. HERITAGE PLUS

    HERITAGE PLUS Active Member

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  4. . i know someone who has told me he was a Pow there. It was on common lane and later became a chicken farm.. I have an old photo of a group of pows stood there.. I think. .
     
  5. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

  6. It's not on there. This is why I have asked on here. I am looking for info which I can't google, believe me I have tried for hours. I have docs etc and it is of interest to me. The Pow definitely existed and I have paperwork from the era but not a single trace via any google searches whatsoever.
     
  7. dbf

    dbf Moderatrix MOD

    Link to the other thread about POW documentation, so as to avoid duplication
    Info about docs pls
     
  8. 4jonboy

    4jonboy Daughter of a 56 Recce

    Here you go. I got to looking at Sandbeds camp near Brayton, Selby which is only about 8 miles from Sherburn (and mentioned in the article) and came up with this story about Scholes and Barwick in Elmet
    A P.O.W.'s Life in Scholes

    Apologies to Dave in post #3 above, sorry I've duplicated your info

    Lesley
     
    Last edited: Jun 28, 2017
  9. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    Have also posted this on the other thread and am posting here in case others are searching and could use the info here to help.

    OK
    Before Dec 1944 is could not have been a POW camp:
    Reference: AIR 29/518
    Description:
    Airborne Forces Experimental Establishment, Sherburn-in-Elmet (AFEE UK); appendices with diagrams and photographs of equipment.
    Note: appendices only
    Date: 1944 May-Dec.
    Held by: The National Archives, Kew
    Former reference in its original department: IIM/FN3/1A
    Legal status: Public Record(s)
    Closure status: Open Document, Open Description

    There are other similar files but this is the latest.

    We also know it became an EVW Camp (European Voluntary Workers) never heard of this term before but we are all learning.


    We also know about POW Camp no 183

    183 Quorn Camp, Wood Lane, Quorn, (Quorndon) Leicestershire Eng STANDARD type. See Camp no.9

    From - Every prisoner of war camp in the UK mapped and listed

    Although having said another database gives a different location for camp 183:
    183
    Beckton Marshes camp, East Ham, London E6, London, England
    London
    England
    5
    Google Fusion Tables

    However this document (POW camps in the UK) shows the problem especially if you try the 'Find' option and type in 183. Using that same system if you put in Sherburn, then there are zero results. My guess here would be that he was in one of the Camps 183, and after the war was moved to the EVW Hostel at Sherburn, This would have been the old RAF and Airborne training base no longer required and with empty buildings etc would have been a good place to have a Hostel.

    TD

    edited to add:
    If we had his name then there is a chance that there is a family tree on Ancestry that may have information to help answer your questions
     
  10. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    In fact it was still a training site for Airborne until end 1945:
    Reference: AIR 29/519
    Description:
    Airborne Forces Experimental Establishment, Sherburn-in-Elmet (AFEE UK); appendices with diagrams and photographs of equipment.
    Note: appendices only
    Date: 1945 Feb.-Dec.
    Held by: The National Archives, Kew
    Former reference in its original department: IIM/FN3/1A
    Legal status: Public Record(s)
    Closure status: Open Document, Open Description

    Is this your POW
    Name: Donald H Matthes

    TD
     
  11. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    OK more to come

    It seems to me that Sherburn was still being used by MOD up tp 1950:


    Ministry of Aircraft Production and Ministry of Supply: Airborne Forces Establishment, later Airborne Forces Experimental Establishment: Reports | The National Archives
    Reference: AVIA 21
    Title: Ministry of Aircraft Production and Ministry of Supply: Airborne Forces Establishment, later Airborne Forces Experimental Establishment: Reports
    Description:
    Reports on research on and development of the means of transport and delivery of airborne forces and their equipment.
    Date: 1941-1950


    ........................................ in 1950 the Establishment was moved to Boscombe Down where it merged with the present-day Aeroplane and Armament Experimental Establishment.

    I may be wrong on that others will probably correct me.

    TD
     
  12. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    Posted on other thread just now, posting here to save other members from chasing/missing

    Naturalisation Certificate: Horst Karl Erich Ottomar Julius Ewald. From Germany.... | The National Archives


    Reference: HO 334/412/48548
    Description:
    Naturalisation Certificate: Horst Karl Erich Ottomar Julius Ewald. From Germany. Resident in Sherburn-in-Elmet, near Leeds, Yorkshire. Certificate BNA48548 issued 6 November 1957.
    Date: 1957 Nov 6
    Held by: The National Archives, Kew
    Legal status: Public Record(s)
    Language: English
    Closure status: Open Document, Open Description

    This marriage is 1951 - I believe you mentioned it was 1957 previously
    England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005
    Name: Horst E O J Ewald
    Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1951
    Registration district: Barkton Ash
    Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
    Spouse: Elizabeth M Johnson
    Volume Number: 2d
    Page Number: 897

    They had 2 children from the marriage both born in the 1960's

    West Yorkshire, England, Electoral Registers, 1840-1962
    Name: Horst Ewald
    Year: 1960
    Country: England
    County: West Yorkshire
    Parliamentary Division: Barkston Ash
    Place of Abode: 29
    Reference Number: Barkston Ash

    Name: Horst Ewald
    Year: 1961
    Country: England
    County: West Yorkshire
    Parliamentary Division: Barkston Ash
    Place of Abode: 29
    Reference Number: Barkston Ash

    TD
     
  13. Malcolm56

    Malcolm56 Well-Known Member

    POWs were often moved from camp to camp.

    There were 2 camps 183 - but NOT at the same time, (numbers were re-used after one closed). Details for the 2 183's are given above. You would need to know the date he was at 183 to be sure which one it was. Quorn Camp had its number changed to 9, this often happened if there was a change of status to the camp, e.g. changing the size of a camp, changed the number of troops there, and gave it a new War Establishment number). As Camp 9 it closed in early 1947.

    There is only 1 camp 53 on record - from the ICRC list it was – Labour Camp. 53. Sandbeds Camp, Gateforth New Road, Brayton, Yorkshire. This was a German Working Camp. It also closed in 1947.

    The Military Hospital for pows at Naburn was camp 162. The site is now occupied by a retail outlet.

    Not sure if the picture at the top is yours as underneath it says 'no that is not him'. However, the address shown in the picture above is for EVW Hostel - this was a "European Volunteer Worker" hostel and not a pow camp. There were 75,000 EVWs in the UK in 1948. I see that Ancestry has links to some lists for EVWs.

    Individual details of pows held by the British were passed on to the ICRC, but they are inundated with requests. The last time I looked they were not processing any more for the time being.

    M
     

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