The secret KG200

Discussion in 'Axis Units' started by Peter Clare, Jun 15, 2007.

  1. Peter Clare

    Peter Clare Very Senior Member

  2. marcus69x

    marcus69x I love WW2 meah!!!

    Interesting reading Peter. Just goes to show how many thing there are out there that we may never know about. I'd imagine being in one of those secret agent capsules must have been quite claustrophobic.
     
  3. kfz

    kfz Very Senior Member

    I can recomend

    KG200 the true story by Paul Stahl.

    Kev
     
  4. adrian roberts

    adrian roberts Senior Member

    Interesting that Hitler "was reluctant" to allow suicide missions, while others seemed to be even more fanatical than he was.

    There is an interesting link on same page to Otto Skorzeny, Commando leader and rescuer of Mussolini. Would it be fair to say that he was a Waffen SS officer who although ruthless was not directly implicated in any war crimes?
     
  5. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Skorzeny's trial was dismissed after a British IO stated that the allied side would have acted no differently to his actions throughout the war. His escape seems to make a conclusive decision either way even murkier.
    Be nice to know for sure what his cold war intelligence connections were (if any) but I imagine we'll never find out.
     
  6. morse1001

    morse1001 Very Senior Member

    there is a novel called KG200 pretty bad!
     
  7. Erich

    Erich Senior Member

    big error Peter in the KG 200 story. First off Hajo Hermann did not invent the idea of suicide ramming by JG 300 or any of the other 2 Sturmgruppen. that was all volunteer and very very few were even thought nor carried out by the SturmFw pilots. von Kornatski came up as Kommandeur in the Strumfw 1 staffel in late 43 and tried to carry it off to the other 3 Sturm fw units as Sturmstaffel 1 was absorbed into IV.Sturm/JG 3 but Wilhelm Moritz the CO countered and said I am not going to push through the papaer work to have my pilots sig n the swearing of taking out a bomber at all costs even by ramming. no orders were given to the Staffel CO's to force anyones hands as pilots were so much more important than a/c which could be replaced

    this is a long term myth for many many years that has been seen in books and the net .........

    E ~ ♫
     
  8. Gerard

    Gerard Seelow/Prora

  9. Gerard

    Gerard Seelow/Prora

  10. Smudger Jnr

    Smudger Jnr Our Man in Berlin

    there is a novel called KG200 pretty bad!

    Geoff,
    I remember purchasing that book many years ago, but it is a fiction book intertwined with a little knowledge of the KG 200.

    Just pure escapism and nothing like the actual KG 200.

    Regards
    Tom
     
  11. kfz

    kfz Very Senior Member

    Just came across this gallery of captured British aircraft. They even had a Stirling!! How did they get that?? LuftArchiv.de - Das Archiv der Deutschen Luftwaffe


    Who knows, I think capturing a big 4 engine heavy was a real prize, the same class of aircraft being in very short supply in the luftwaffe, went to a lot of lenghts to use them. Plenty of pics of B17 in Kg200 on here I put up.

    Kev
     
  12. cash_13

    cash_13 Senior Member

    Yes I have this book really good reading, so much so I read it again straight after..
     
  13. phylo_roadking

    phylo_roadking Very Senior Member

    They even had a Stirling!! How did they get that??


    Like the British, the Germans were past masters of cobbling wrecked aircraft together for evaluation. We did ours at Farnborough, and IIRC at least one Me109 so-recovered for testing crashed and killed its RAF test pilot due to its ropey condition after a short series of evaluation flights. Eric Brown flew an Me110C that was such an amalgam of crashed and damaged aircraft.

    Through the war, given the number of British and American bombers blown out of the sky over Europe...or that took AA damage and crept home, perhaps eventually to try and make a wheels-up landing in some French or Belgian field if they couldn't get any further ?...they were bound to find enough to put more than a few back together.

    (They also managed to re-build and re-commissions some AMAZING wrecks of their own aircraft! A couple of months' ago Flypast ran an article written on the back of a number of pics of the "bone yard " at Maleme on Crete. One of them was of a line of incredibly battered Ju52 fuselages awaiting shipment to the Greek mainland by barge for transhipment to Germany.)
     
  14. Kuno

    Kuno Very Senior Member

    Amazing stories "around" KG.200. Think that there are manz myths but still enough remaining for a good read. Regarding my personal interests it is about those flights done to North Africa after the Axis forces were kicked out.

    Btw. The Italians had a unit as well doing special missions. It's name was SAS! If I recall correctly this means Servizi Aereale Speciali. Don't know if this is the correct spelling - but the meaning is clear...
     
  15. Larkinator

    Larkinator Junior Member

    Just came across this gallery of captured British aircraft. They even had a Stirling!! How did they get that?? LuftArchiv.de - Das Archiv der Deutschen Luftwaffe

    They got them due to forced landings from the bombers in France and Germany over the course of the war. That B-17 that was in the first post was one such example. According to Chris Chant's "Essential Guide to Aircraft Identification: Allied Bombers 1939-1945" on page 109, there's a crosssection of that exact B17, which as the caption reads states: "This aeroplane force-landed in France on 12 December 1942 after a raid on the Rouen-Satteville marshalling yards, and was repaired by the Germans to be demonstrated to fighter units".

    I can imagine the Sterling was acquired by similar means as well.
     
  16. Za Rodinu

    Za Rodinu Hot air manufacturer

    Stirling. Please.
     
  17. Gerard

    Gerard Seelow/Prora

    They got them due to forced landings from the bombers in France and Germany over the course of the war. That B-17 that was in the first post was one such example. According to Chris Chant's "Essential Guide to Aircraft Identification: Allied Bombers 1939-1945" on page 109, there's a crosssection of that exact B17, which as the caption reads states: "This aeroplane force-landed in France on 12 December 1942 after a raid on the Rouen-Satteville marshalling yards, and was repaired by the Germans to be demonstrated to fighter units".

    I can imagine the Sterling was acquired by similar means as well.
    Thanks for the info Larkinator!
     
  18. Kiwiguy

    Kiwiguy Member

    I think if you Google Zirkus Rosarius the forerunner of the KG200 which tested and operated captured foreign aircraft you might get a better background. IIRC KG200 was only created about may 1944, bringing together a bunch of different Luftwaffe operations Aufklarungs O.bdL, Leonaidas Staffel etc.

    Worth noting that KG200 was not connected to the SS. The SS also had it's own air wing Fliegergeschwader z.b.V.7 from late 1943 onwards. [FONT=&quot]
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