The REME Museum have posted the attached on Facebook in the hope of finding the family of Norman Dove: I know some of you like a challenge, so thought you might be able to help...
Happy to help. Just found the link to the Facebook page - if members who use FB start sharing the Museum's post, then there's always a chance somebody will recognise the family. https://www.facebook.com/REMEMuseum/?fref=ts
Fingers crossed that this works: https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1304282449585910&substory_index=0&id=165241503490016
CWGC details: DOVE, NORMAN Rank:Warrant Officer Class II Trade:Armt. Q.M.S. Service No:3716883 Date of Death:30/07/1944 Age:31 Regiment/Service:Royal Electrical and Mechanical Engineers attd. 38th Regt. Reconnaissance Corps, R.A.C. Grave Reference: Sec. 1. Row G. Grave 6. Cemetery:CHIPPENHAM (LONDON ROAD) CEMETERY Additional Information:Son of Mr. and Mrs. Ernest J. Dove; husband of Elizebeth Dove, of Orrell, Bootle, Lancashire. This helps as we can work out he was born 1913 ish TD
Other details: Norman Dove in the England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007 Name: Norman Dove Birth Date: abt 1913 Date of Registration: Sep 1944 Age at Death: 31 Registration district: Chippenham Inferred County: Wiltshire Volume: 3a Page: 58 Norman Dove in the UK, Army Roll of Honour, 1939-1945 Name: Norman Dove Given Initials: N Rank: Warrant Officer Class II Death Date: 30 Jul 1944 Number: 3716883 Birth Place: Yorkshire Residence: Liverpool Branch at Enlistment: Other Corps Theatre of War: United Kingdom Regiment at Death: Royal Electrical and Mechanical Engineers Branch at Death: Other Corps TD
Probable birth details: Name: Norman Dove Mother's Maiden Name: Waterworth Registration Year: 1913 Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun Registration district: Skipton Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding Volume: 9a Page: 44 Parents marriage: Name: Ernest Joseph Dove (Ernest J - as given by CWGC Details) Gender: Male Age: 25 Birth Year: abt 1882 Event Type: Marriage Event Date: 26 Nov 1907 Parish: Kelbrook, St Mary, Lancashire, England Search Photos: Search for 'Kelbrook, St Mary' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection Spouse: Mary Anne Waterworth (corresponds with birth details) Spouse Age: 22 Father: William Dove There is a 'private' family tree which I can contact if that is required?? TD added: It also appears that the family went to Canada for a while: Name: Norman Dove Gender: Male Age: 7 Birth Date: abt 1913 Departure Date: 30 Mar 1920 Port of Departure: Liverpool, England Destination Port: St John, New Brunswick, Canada Ship Name: Scandinavian Search Ship Database: Search for the Scandinavian in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database Shipping line: The Canadian Pacific Ocean Services Ltd Official Number: 109441 Master: E Griffiths edited to add: Note above in this colour)
If this is his family then it appears that he had 2 elder brothers Ernest Joseph Dove Age in 1911: 28 Birth Place: Ilkeley, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish:Earby County/Island:Yorkshire-West Riding Street addressotcliffe Kelbrook Nr Colne Yorks Occupation: Warp Dresser (cotton) Registration district: Skipton Household Members: Ernest Joseph Dove 28 Mary Ann Dove 26 Alfred Dove 3 Edward Dove 1 note: Kelbrook Yorkshire changed to Kelbrook Lancashire in 1974.
Checking Dove births with mothers maiden name Waterworth so far gives: Harold Dove 1911 Jul-Aug-Sep Skipton Yorkshire West Riding Norman Dove 1913 Apr-May-Jun Skipton Yorkshire West Riding Alice Dove 1914 Oct-Nov-Dec Skipton Yorkshire West Riding From a public family tree for Alice above it shows siblings: Alfred 1908 as RCG post shows Edward 1909 as RCG post shows Norman 1913 Alice 1914 Bertie 1917 Gilbert 1926 It does not show Harold 1911 but thats not to say he isnt one of them TD
I have sent messages to 2 family tree creators on Ancestry (1 x public and 1 x private) providing them the link to this thread Lets keep fingers crossed TD
With that amount of siblings a good chance that there are some relatives about. Have just emailed Kelbrook parish council to see if any Doves still live in the area.
Never a big fan of these appeals, it’s usually one family member who has sold the medals and then the ‘lost’ medals are then re-united with another family member only to start the cycle over again, reminds me of the bloke who spent 6 months searching for the relatives of some WW1 medals he had bought only to find that it was the relatives who were the ones who had put the medals on ebay in the first place. Anyhow, would you not be best looking for the ‘baby Norma” re the CWGC headstone schedule if you are trying to trace descendants?
Norma Dove Liverpool North Sep 1944 8b 702 Mothers maiden name Wootton I will interested in the outcome of this, I recently added a little information to Norman's page on my website. http://chippenham1939-1945.weebly.com/wo2-n-dove.html
You may well be right snailer, but for me the chase is worth more than the prize. and the information gained here, may be useful in the future.
I don’t understand what needs chasing, the REME museum are looking for descendants, there is one listed with the CWGC and inscribed on the headstone. Are they incapable of using one of a myriad of Birth Marriage and Death sites to progress this further without resorting to Facebook appeals.
Yes it seems they are incapable - just as the MOD are in this other thread yesterday (suddenly realised they need to look for descendants 2 weeks prior to a memorial dedication) link - http://ww2talk.com/forums/topic/61018-mod-searches-for-the-familys-of-6-lost-airmen/ TD