Zyklon B / Sick

Discussion in 'The Holocaust' started by gray59, Jan 11, 2010.

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  1. gray59

    gray59 Discharged

    hi james, thankfully i have seen all of those & their a great more respectfull of our fallen than the benny hill atrosity but thanks anyway for posting them, well done :)
     
  2. Smudger Jnr

    Smudger Jnr Our Man in Berlin

    I realise that we live in a so called Free Society, but I do wonder about some of the content allowed on "You Tube"

    Regards
    Tom
     
  3. gray59

    gray59 Discharged

    Gray, what questions are raised then? Would you mind elaborating?

    hi gotthard, like i said i know very little about zyklon b other than the fact it was used by the nazi's to exterminate the jews

    seeing this video as a complete novice it was quite suprising to say least to see these 3 men walk out after being exposed to it for a hour, now its been explained by others on the forum i can understand it
     
  4. Smudger Jnr

    Smudger Jnr Our Man in Berlin

    hi gotthard, like i said i know very little about zyklon b other than the fact it was used by the nazi's to exterminate the jews

    seeing this video as a complete novice it was quite suprising to say least to see these 3 men walk out after being exposed to it for a hour, now its been explained by others on the forum i can understand it

    The problem is that rubbish can be published on a subject an appear to make it innocent, when a little research will prove it wrong.

    People seeing and reading this sort of disinformation can often end up thinking that it is the truth when they take what they see at face value.

    This is what I find extremely disturbing.

    Regards
    Tom
     
  5. gray59

    gray59 Discharged

    In this instance and having to ask about Zyklon - yes I agree.

    i hope james this was'nt a slur on me, i put that video up in good faith to show people some of the nasties i found on youtube, the reason i asked about zyklon is quite evident in the video that goes with the post, others younger than myself could find this video not realising the horrors that went on during the holocaust & truly believe that zyklon is safe

    i also put that i did'nt mean to upset or hurt anyone with the post, it was a genuine query & thats what i thought this forum was about, maybe i'm wrong
     
  6. Smudger Jnr

    Smudger Jnr Our Man in Berlin

    Fred Toben to Benny Hill same subject matter ?

    Asking if Zyklon B was "faked" - Fred Toben videos , and now "Benny Hill" views of a movie.
    The movie is not history but it reflects on the subject matter , than of genocide - I find none of this funny.

    James,

    You are not the only one picking up on the subject matter.

    Regards
    Tom
     
  7. Gerard

    Gerard Seelow/Prora

    i hope james this was'nt a slur on me, i put that video up in good faith to show people some of the nasties i found on youtube, the reason i asked about zyklon is quite evident in the video that goes with the post, others younger than myself could find this video not realising the horrors that went on during the holocaust & truly believe that zyklon is safe

    i also put that i did'nt mean to upset or hurt anyone with the post, it was a genuine query & thats what i thought this forum was about, maybe i'm wrong
    It may have been a genuine query Gray, but you didnt intimate that in your original post about Zyklon, indeed you didnt refer to anything about safeguarding younger people misunderstanding the uses of Zyklon, you mentioned that maybe it raised a few questions about its reported historical usage. Please tell me how that is helping to point out to younger people about the dangers of Zyklon.

    I make no apologies for questioning people's motives Gray, especially when it comes to Holocaust Denial. if you are claiming to respect others on the forum then I suggest this type of post is best avoided.
     
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  8. Paul Reed

    Paul Reed Ubique

    With respect to you, given the widespread knowledge of the holocaust and the role of this gas in the death camps, I have to wonder at the reasons or agenda of someone making a post like this. I have to also wonder at even a 'complete novice' questioning widespread knowledge based on the viewing of a video located on a holocaust denial channel.

    Perhaps its more than just that channel you subscribe to?
     
  9. gray59

    gray59 Discharged

    With respect to you, given the widespread knowledge of the holocaust and the role of this gas in the death camps, I have to wonder at the reasons or agenda of someone making a post like this. I have to also wonder at even a 'complete novice' questioning widespread knowledge based on the viewing of a video located on a holocaust denial channel.

    Perhaps its more than just that channel you subscribe to?

    ok perhaps i was wrong but i thought ths forum was for subjects exactly like this, while yes its been told to many thousands of people that zyklon was used, to see 3 men walk out of a chamber after being exposed to it for 1 hour when the jews were killed in between 10 & 20 minutes was a little puzling

    at no point did i try to deny zyklon was used, this was a simple query as to how 3 men survived it
     
  10. Paul Reed

    Paul Reed Ubique

    And you don't think the motives of the person/persons posting this video might question is validity or authenticity?

    You seem very coy about discussing that.
     
  11. Gerard

    Gerard Seelow/Prora

    ok perhaps i was wrong but i thought ths forum was for subjects exactly like this, while yes its been told to many thousands of people that zyklon was used, to see 3 men walk out of a chamber after being exposed to it for 1 hour when the jews were killed in between 10 & 20 minutes was a little puzling

    at no point did i try to deny zyklon was used, this was a simple query as to how 3 men survived it
    Hold on a sec, why did you state in the other thread that your reason for posting it was to draw to younger people's attention the horrors of Zyklon and that some people might draw from the video that Zyklon was safe. And here you are on this thread telling us that it was puzzling that 3 men survived.

    This forum is for discussion of WW2 and all its constituent subjects. we dont have an agenda. we dont like people who try to subvert and twist history. We know Zyklon B existed and we know the reason it was used. we dont need to discuss that "maybe it didnt work". I dont see threads around here doubting the validity of the JU87 as a combat aircraft or that the Spitfire didnt do what it was supposed to have done, so why discuss Zyklon B?
     
  12. gray59

    gray59 Discharged

    ok perhaps my original post was badly worded i accept that & appologise for any missgivings if i have upset anyone

    but one thing i will stand firm on is that at no point have i tried to deny the holocaust ever happened, we all know now what the ss done in these vile places & i have the uppermost of respect for anyone that had relatives killed there
     
  13. gray59

    gray59 Discharged

    Fred Toben to Benny Hill same subject matter ?

    Asking if Zyklon B was "faked" - Fred Toben videos , and now "Benny Hill" views of a movie.
    The movie is not history but it reflects on the subject matter , than of genocide - I find none of this funny.

    this zyklon post seems to have been blown completely out of proportion, at no time did i even hint on the fact that zyklon was faked, we all know what was used but it was a simple query on how 3 men survived being exposed to it for 1 hour, no harm or disrespect was intended

    as for the benny hill video, i just thought it ought to be mentioned as to what people are seeing on youtube, you can't hide the fact that many people will watch this daily & laugh at it, personaly i found it sickening as is evident on the title of my post
     
  14. James S

    James S Very Senior Member

    On the Fred Toben video .
    If you look at it and question what you see it is an obvious fake and what you are told you are watching and what you are watching - well what is shown needs to be questioned .

    How do you know the contents of the tin held Zyklon B - do you not think that label looks a little free of detail and somewhat home made ??
    The doctor - did you ever get your chest sounded , a small 02 stats. monitor is easily carried as is a vital signs monitor - her preparations did not exactly mirror her concerns.
    The gas mask didn't exactly fit did it ?
    U-Tube is littered with this type of material holocaust deniers use it as a cheap and easy way of spreading their message .

    The "Benny Hill" clip - was never shown on Benny Hill , Benny is not in it , nor is Bob nor any of his regulars and the scantly clad girls are missing.
    It is there purely for disrespect and nothing more and as you say it does not amuse.
    Perhaps I did pick you up wrong but I do hope you can see where I am coming from and as has been pointed out to me by other solid forum members - I am not the only one at a loss and asking reasonable questions.
     
  15. Heimbrent

    Heimbrent Well-Known Member

    as for the benny hill video, i just thought it ought to be mentioned as to what people are seeing on youtube, you can't hide the fact that many people will watch this daily & laugh at it

    People are watching all kinds of things on youtube and elsewhere - so what? By posting it you just spread it further and help nobody. What's the point of posting every dumb shit one stumbles over?
     
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  16. James S

    James S Very Senior Member

    Heimbrent
    People are watching all kinds of things on youtube and elsewhere - so what? By posting it you just spread it further and help nobody. What's the point of posting every dumb shit one stumbles over?


    Very fair point one with which I completely agree.
     
  17. Jakob Kjaersgaard

    Jakob Kjaersgaard Senior Member

    What a huge pile of neo nazi propaganda! Makes me sick!



    Jakob
     
  18. gray59

    gray59 Discharged

    People are watching all kinds of things on youtube and elsewhere - so what? By posting it you just spread it further and help nobody. What's the point of posting every dumb shit one stumbles over?

    the very pont of posting that on the forum in the first place was that hopefully members would have commented on it to show their disgust to other youtube members, rather than this one which is a comment under it go & see for yourselfs.....

    ffs why are u ppl here complaining so bothered about the jewish holocaust? whether it was a bad thing or not who gives a f***, its just part of history - do u all get so bothered if someone jokes about ppl who were burned as witches in the middle ages?

    that has'nt come from me, but another youtube member, its begining to seem as if this forum is more about hiding the truth rather than addressing things that are happening around the world today to discredit the past :mad:
     
  19. Paul Reed

    Paul Reed Ubique

    Okay, you've showed us where you're coming from.
     
  20. WotNoChad?

    WotNoChad? Senior Member

    Can we have this thread deleted please mods?
     
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