Antitank weapons

Discussion in 'Weapons, Technology & Equipment' started by Warlord, Mar 30, 2009.

  1. Warlord

    Warlord Veteran wannabe

    What about Italian AT portables?
     
  2. Warlord

    Warlord Veteran wannabe

    There's a problem with that theory too, as magnetic mines don't seem to have been exactly common in Soviet Arsenals either, and those supplied were not really a major panzer-threat. Zimmerit was not usually applied to Schurzen either (that I can recall :unsure: ), more for the main plate.

    Thread here:
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    So the Schurzen was the forerunner of the Chobham?

    By the way, did the Italians have any portable AT´s? No sign of them on the thread yet... :unsure:
     
  3. kfz

    kfz Very Senior Member

    There's a problem with that theory too, as magnetic mines don't seem to have been exactly common in Soviet Arsenals either, and those supplied were not really a major panzer-threat. Zimmerit was not usually applied to Schurzen either (that I can recall :unsure: ), more for the main plate.

    Thread here:
    'zimmerit'


    There would be little point in blowing off the Schurven, I would imagine a mine would not cuase any damage to the tank if the mine was attached to Schuzen. Probably fairly effective at keeping mines off the more exposed areas of the main hull like the turret sides and sideframes.

    On the subject of magnetic mines. Seem a fairly problematic anti tank weopen. Apart from the problem of having the problem of getting close enough to the tank, it would take one hell of a electric field to magnitize a heavy mine enough to stay attached to a bouncing tank. Probably not that conductive to simple mass production. I guess??

    I guess the limpet mine was simaler idea. maybe it is practicle...

    Kev
     
  4. razin

    razin Member

    Kfz
    it would take one hell of a electric field to magnitize a heavy mine enough to stay attached to a bouncing tank. Probably not that conductive to simple mass production. I guess??

    I guess the limpet mine was simaler idea. maybe it is practicle...


    The Russians and the British did not develop a magetic mine as far as I am aware, not doubt they considered it and some-one must have done some mis-information for the Germans to go to the trouble of development of Zimmert, unless they just expected that as they developed one the other side would follow suit.

    The British had the Sticky bomb and the Russians had a version of the parachute hollow charge bomb.

    Limpit mines, many were not magnetic but relied on a suction diaphragm, these and the magnetic ones had a powerful grip but most had a anti handling device so the only way to get rid of them was, sliding a plate between it and the hull, or more drastically cutting the hull plate away from the inside.

    Steve
     
  5. Warlord

    Warlord Veteran wannabe

    Apart from the problem of having the problem of getting close enough to the tank,

    Remember that on the first days of Barbarossa, I-16 fighters used as standard tactics against the Luftwaffe, the head-on attack, ramming when out of ammo, and the chopping off of rudders with the propeller; bravery bordering foolishness!

    Of course, the most likely alternative after returning to base being the Nagant on the back of the head, courtesy of the NKVD... :excl:
     
  6. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    The Russians and the British did not develop a magetic mine as far as I am aware, not doubt they considered it and some-one must have done some mis-information for the Germans to go to the trouble of development of Zimmert, unless they just expected that as they developed one the other side would follow suit.
    The closest we could find was the clam charge that went to Russia via the UK, as Spotter described here. Hardly an AT weapon though, I would have thought a Panzer crew would barely notice it if attached to plate.
    I reckon Zimmerit was just a bit of 'belt & braces' too, not much harm in doing it but like interleaved wheels it's an 'interesting' German feature that mostly slipped off the armoured evolutionary scale pretty quickly.
     
  7. Bodston

    Bodston Little Willy

    Would Zimmerit only be the automatic development of a countermeasure for the German Haft-Hohlladung 3kg magnetic A/T mine?
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    It is usual for any new weapon/technology to have its matching antidote developed at the same time eg. Radar and 'window'.

    This then allows for the enemy using your own captured weapons against you or caters for them copying the equipment eg. Bazooka and Panzerschrek.
     
  8. razin

    razin Member

    Von poop
    The closest we could find was the clam charge that went to Russia via the UK, as Spotter described here.


    Thanks for that definately a SOE thing, possibly might knock out the retainer from railway tracks.

    Steve
     
  9. Za Rodinu

    Za Rodinu Hot air manufacturer

    Of course, the most likely alternative after returning to base being the Nagant on the back of the head, courtesy of the NKVD... :excl:

    Misquoting Robert Duvall, "I love the smell of clichés in the morning"... :lol:
     
  10. Warlord

    Warlord Veteran wannabe

    Misquoting Robert Duvall, "I love the smell of clichés in the morning"... :lol:

    Somehow, I knew there were going to be comments from beyond the Vistula... ;)

    Great Purge, anyone?
     
  11. dbf

    dbf Moderatrix MOD

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