129586 Capt Terence Lancelot TYNAN, Parachute Regiment.

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  1. Alex1975uk

    Alex1975uk Well-Known Member

    Hi
    Capt. Tynan 129586 is buried in my hometown and shown as RUR and Parachute Regiment. Can anyone find this chap on any orbat?

    Alex.

    Casualty
    Captain TYNAN, TERENCE LANCELOT
    Service Number 129586
    Died 16/04/1945
    Aged 30
    The Parachute Regiment, A.A.C.
    Son of Francis Valentine and Lilian Laura Tynan, of Gravesend; husband of Nancy Davenport Tynan, of Gravesend.
    Buried at GRAVESEND CEMETERY
    Location: Kent, United Kingdom
    Number of casualties: 155
    Cemetery/memorial reference: R.C. Plot. Grave 6401.
     
  2. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    I dont have Fold3 access but could this be him

    Name: T. L. Tynan
    Military Year: 1940
    Regiment: Regular Army Emergency Commissions.
    Rank: 2nd Lieutenant

    UK, British Army Lists, 1882-1962
    Name: T. L. Tynan
    Military Year: 1942
    Regiment: The Royal Ulster Rifles
    Rank: 2nd Lieutenant

    Name: T. L. Tynan
    Military Year: 1943
    Regiment: The Royal Ulster Rifles
    Rank: 2nd Lieutenant

    Name: T. L. Tynan
    Military Year: 1944
    Regiment: The Royal Ulster Rifles
    Rank: 2nd Lieutenant

    Name: T. L. Tynan
    Military Year: 1945
    Regiment: Army Air Corps
    Rank: 2nd Lieutenant


    Thats it so far

    TD

    Alex - where is your home town?
     
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  3. Alex1975uk

    Alex1975uk Well-Known Member

    Yes that’s him. Thanks, headstone says RUR 1st Battalion Parachute Regiment. Died 16/4/45. Can’t find anything about him for RUR in Normandy or Germany. I’m in Gravesend. He’s on the CWGC in Gravesend.
     
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  4. Guy Hudson

    Guy Hudson Looker-upper

    Alex,
    He died as a result of an acccident in the U.K.
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  5. Alex1975uk

    Alex1975uk Well-Known Member

    Thanks Guy. Wonder where and what? No idea if he was on the 1 Para orbat or Reserve Battalion.
     
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  6. Guy Hudson

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  7. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
    Name: Terence L Tynan
    Death Age: 30
    Birth Date: abt 1915
    Registration Date: Apr 1945
    [May 1945]
    [Jun 1945]
    Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
    Registration district: Exmoor
    Inferred County: Somerset
    Volume: 5c
    Page: 240

    TD
     
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  8. Alex1975uk

    Alex1975uk Well-Known Member

    Interesting. The reserve battalion was in the West Country. Might try the war diary next chance.
     
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    Alex1975uk Well-Known Member

  10. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    Guys post says he died near Minehead, I would guess a copy of the death certificate could prove enlightening to

    TD
     
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  11. JimHerriot

    JimHerriot Ready for Anything

    Hello Alex1975uk, hope this helps and doesn't hinder (or add to any confusion!) as I think it's just a lack of accuracy (correctness even) that oft happens when laymen (newspaper journalists) don't always write down what they hear (just what they think they hear).

    And I don't mean to be unduly unkind to the reporter who's words are in the Guy Hudson post above (#6) as Airborne forces were very much still the new "thing" at the time, and in more modern parlance the diversity of their make up militarily was easily misunderstood/reported incorrectly at the time.

    Captain Tynan was a 1st (Airborne) Battalion The Royal Ulster Rifles officer. He may well have been parachute trained/qualified (and had his "light bulb" on the right sleeve of his battledress) if he'd taken the abridged parachute course for already serving Airborne soldiers, in his case from the 6th Airlanding Brigade (of which 1st (Airborne) Battalion The Royal Ulster Rifles was but one component). Hopefully this link will help, and by it I don't necessarily mean for the good folks here on WW2 Talk (journalists of all eras please take note!)

    1st Battalion The Royal Ulster Rifles | ParaData

    Kind regards, always,

    Jim.

    Edit: An afterthought. If he was jump qualified he may have been posted (or going to be posted) to one of the 6th Airborne Division parachute Battalions but I would doubt it. I very much think his accidental death would have occurred as a result of being down in the West Country on a pre 6th June training scheme (and the nomenclature errors in the reporting likely stem from a title mix-up originated with The 1st (Airborne) Battalion The Royal Ulster Rifles originally being part of the 1st Airlanding Brigade).
    Maybe!
     
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  12. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    In fact you might be able to help out Paradata as their page for him is how can I say this 'lacking' or so it seems to me
    Terence L Tynan | ParaData

    TD
     
  13. JimHerriot

    JimHerriot Ready for Anything

    Absolutely TD.

    The only difficulty that I would have personally with doing that is that you, Guy Hudson, and Alex1975uk have done all the groundwork (and absolutely rightly should gain any thanks fro ParaData for providing information to them). Plus, as good as it would be for ParaData to have the newspaper report and school contribution I can't help but think the "unit" name errors might just be continued (I'd hope not, but you never know!)

    Again, you guys have done all the hard work and digging out of stuff, not I.

    Kind regards, always,

    Jim.
     
  14. dbf

    dbf Moderatrix MOD

    Personal Number: 129586
    Rank: W/S Captain
    Name: Terence Lancelot TYNAN
    Unit: Royal Ulster Rifles & Parachute Regiment


    London Gazette : 26 April 1940
    https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/34837/supplement/2461/data.pdf
    The undermentioned Cadets, from 164th, 165th, 166th, 167th, 168th, and 170th O.C.T.U., to be 2nd Lts. except as otherwise stated. 20th Apr. 1940:—
    R. U. Rif.
    Terence Lancelot TYNAN (129586).

    London Gazette : 6 March 1945
    https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/36966/supplement/1246/data.pdf
    ARMY AIR CORPS.
    P.R.
    War Subs. Capt. T. L. Tynan (129386) from R.U. Rif. to be War Subs. Capt., 23rd Nov. 1944, retaining his present seniority.
     
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  15. Alex1975uk

    Alex1975uk Well-Known Member

    Agree with most of those points, however, he was killed in 1945 (I’m assuming you thought 1944 with the pre-June reference?) it does appear he was transferred to the Parachute Regiment proper. Also, he was a Captain according to the extra info found but can’t find him mentioned in any orbat for the RUR?
    I have a pic of his headstone but “file too large” etc etc.
    On the headstone it does say RUR and 1st Bn Parachute, so although I agree with journalistic errors it appears to be correct here.

    Alex.
     
  16. dbf

    dbf Moderatrix MOD

    Screenshot 2020-04-27 at 07.54.06.png ??

    Aside from the fact that MM is for ORs, I couldn't find confirmation of any gallantry awards... perhaps that's a reference to campaign medals.
     
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  17. horsapassenger

    horsapassenger Senior Member

    Coincidentally on that same date (16th April 1945) Pte Gwilym Gray Evans of the 1st Parachute Battalion was killed on an exercise on the training ranges at Exmoor (although family stories described the location as Minehead) when a 2” mortar that he fired hit the tree above his position and exploded. Perhaps the two deaths are in some way connected?
     
  18. Guy Hudson

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  19. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
    Name: William G Evans
    Death Age: 22
    Birth Date: abt 1923
    Registration Date: Apr 1945
    [May 1945]
    [Jun 1945]
    Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
    Registration district: Exmoor
    Inferred County: Somerset
    Volume: 5c
    Page: 256

    TD
     
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  20. Guy Hudson

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    Evans was conscripted into the Royal Welch Fusiliers on 19th June 1941, he transferred to the Army Air Corps on 17th September 1942
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