Help with my Grandfathers Army records- Coldstream Guard

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  1. Tmp1993

    Tmp1993 Member

    Hello,
    Quick background as a family we were under the impression that my grandfathers army records have been missing However recently I have moved into my Grandparents house and whist sorting out their belongings (of which there was a lot) I came across a Cunard trunk and low and behold whats in there a copy of my grandfathers army records ...
    My Grandfather was a Coldstream Guard from his records i have made out that he was based in NWE ( North West Europe) from 10/10/44 - 5/12/46 however what i am finding difficult is finding out where he was and the history ( Unit and operational history).
    The other query i have is regarding thee column in his records where it says unit there is some abbreviations i do not understand . They include; RD , T.BN, X21, X.BAOR .
    One other question so sorry ! Apart from NWE what does R.A.R and AGR(GD.P.) stand for ?

    Many Thanks in advance and i will try and upload a photo of his service record
     
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  2. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    If you have trouble uploading the photo email it to the forum admin email address & I'll add it to this thread.
    Best to see a photo of the document before we go any further.
     
  3. bofors

    bofors Senior Member

  4. Tullybrone

    Tullybrone Senior Member

  5. Tullybrone

    Tullybrone Senior Member

    Hi,

    Sorry to contradict part of your post but forum member Diane (dbf) has posted various transcriptions of Coldstream Guards (and others) War Diaries in the Brigade of Guards sub forum - for example -

    War Diary: 5th Battalion COLDSTREAM GUARDS, Jan - Dec 1944

    Steve
     
  6. Tmp1993

    Tmp1993 Member

    Please do you have the email for the forum admin in order for me to be able to upload the pictures. Many thanks
    Tara
     
  7. Tmp1993

    Tmp1993 Member

    Hopefully you can see these pictures of my Grandfathers Army records.
    Thank you all for you help it is truly appreciated
    Tara x
     

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  8. Tullybrone

    Tullybrone Senior Member

    Hi,

    I’m afraid all of the records are too blurred for me to read on my 12 inch iPad Pro - except item 5. Can you try again please - perhaps wait until other members comment on the quality.

    Having said that I can offer an opinion on the abbreviations in your first post.

    T. Bn is likely Training Battalion

    RAR is Royal Army Reserve - where all discharged personnel were posted until attaining 45 years of age.

    Steve

    EDIT TO ADD

    He appears to have enlisted using a Regular Army Attestation Form so I assume it was for 4 years with the colours and 8 on the reserve. He was posted to RAR on expiration of his 4 year colour service (actually served additional 6 months presumably as post war age & service demobilisation rules applied) until his 12 year Enlistment period expired 16th Feb 1955.
     
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  9. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    They're only 240x320 , far too small to read.
    Be better if one side was at least 800 to 1000 pixels.
     
  10. chrisgrove

    chrisgrove Senior Member

    @ tullybrone and others
    RAR is Regular Army Reserve; there were others; RARO springs to mind - Regular Army Reserve of Officers.
    Chris
     
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  11. Tmp1993

    Tmp1993 Member

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  12. Tmp1993

    Tmp1993 Member

    Hopefully that a lot clearer now. Any information i can get is brilliant.
    Than you all so much
    Tara
     
  13. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    He was in the 1st Battalion , Coldstream Guards.
     
  14. Tmp1993

    Tmp1993 Member

    Than you do you know what the X21 also means?
     
  15. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    It gets mentioned here post #16
    X lists (Service Records)

    As there is X21 & XBAOR I assume X21 is the X List for 21st Army Group & XBAOR is the X list for the BAOR.
     
  16. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    1st Bn CG were an Armoured unit, in Sherman tanks.
    See his trade is ''gunner mechanic''.
     
  17. Tullybrone

    Tullybrone Senior Member

    Thanks for posting legible copies of your grandfathers service papers. It looks like his medals were issued to him in 1948.

    The RAR and AGR (GD P) abbreviations you mentioned in your first post are abbreviations of stamps on his papers.

    As highlighted by Chris RAR = Regular Army Reserve which he entered when he completed his colour service in 1947.

    The other one is Army General Reserve Group P (in the rank of Guardsman) which he entered when he completed his 12 year Enlistment period in 1955. It was a catch all Reserve classification to enable to speedy recall of an ex serviceman if there was any need during the Cold War period (liability ceased on attaining 45 years).

    Interesting to see that he sought permission to immigrate to Canada in 1951 whilst on his Reserve service. Likely due to the possibility of recall to duty as Korean War was ongoing at the time. I think it might’ve also facilitated the continuation of his Reserve allowances.

    Steve
     
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  18. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    Returned to the UK in 1959

    UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
    Name: Roy Paddick
    Arrival Age: 34
    Birth Date: 14 May 1925
    Port of Departure: Montréal, Québec, Canada
    Arrival date: 4 Sep 1959
    Port of Arrival: Southampton, England
    Ports of Voyage: Montreal; Quebec and Le Havre
    Ship Name: Ivernia
    Shipping line: Cunard Steamship Company Ltd
    Official Number: 4640/01
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    TD
     
  19. Tmp1993

    Tmp1993 Member

    Thank you for this document . My grandfather and grandmother emigrated to Canada (York, Toronto) for approximately 10 years whilst there my grandmother gave birth to my Auntie however my grandmother missed the UK too much and came back to England.
    Many thanks
    Tara x
     
  20. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    There are on Ancestry, a few documents for him, thought this was the most apt, you probably have the details of his birth, marriage and death [if not just ask]

    TD
     
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