I have only a poor quality scan of this at the moment, the original is being forwarded to me by mail, but I'm impatient and wanted your opinions! The only facts I have are a) It's a photograph, not a post-card, b) that the photographer is W.H. Winter of Derby. I have a sneaking suspicion that I could identify one or more of the men featured, but I'll not speculate before I hear what you can deduce from it (you'll need to view it at full-sized). Does anybody recognise the building? (That's a lot of swagger sticks)
Hi, I have seen this photo before and will show it to the sons of an officer from Scotland visiting my OFLAG/Ilag exhibition tomorrow. Stefan.
Please do. All information gratefully received--do you recall where you've seen it before? None of them look like spring chickens to me.
C.F. Are the cap badges all the same? W.W. Winter of Derby established in 1852 W W Winter Heritage I wondered if it was taken at the rear of Markeaton Hall in Derby. The Hall and park were commandeered by the Army for the duration of the war. It was demolished in 1964. The only rear view of the hall I can find is an etching from 1829.
Guy, I'm still waiting for the original to reach me in the mail. When it arrives I'll get the best quality image of it uploaded here for magnifying glass-work. Until then, I can't tell about the cap badges. No Sam Brownes being worn by any of those swagger-stick brandishing officers--does that offer a clue to the date? I'm going to search around for a more modern image of Markeaton Hall--thank you for the lead.
There's a very good image here from 1958 and I'm leaning towards saying that it isn't the same place. https://www.yorkarchaeology.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/NAT6-web.pdf
C.F. It might be worth contacting W.W. Winter, they may have records of war-time commissions? They began cataloguing their negatives in 2014.
I'll wait to get a look at the picture in my hands, but if it all comes up blank I might just try that.
Right, I've done my best with this, but it involved ultra-powerful zooming that's at the limit of my phone camera. I'd say that the cap badges match, but I'm hopeful that somebody can come up with more than that (click to enlarge). [From left to right of the small image in the first post] Surely the lighter figure in the second and third image has air force wings above his ribbon. Liaison? A course? (Edit: I've had the magnifying glass out and it's definitely wings, but his cap badge matches everybody else's) And my instinct is to say that they're fusiliers' insignia on the lapels. Any opinion?
I count that twelve do and the rest don't. Possibilities are: Earlier war, medals not issued--older chaps have Great War or Inter-war decorations. Home unit High proportion of replacement officers. Others?
What do we think of that cap badge and the lapels? (Could they be commonwealth?) ROYAL ENGINEERS!?!? I'm pretty sold on this one, but please tell me if I'm wrong.
Excellent--progress. We have Royal Engineers in (possibly) Derby. The LMS School of Transport in Derby was taken over by the Royal Engineers during the Second World War, but the building doesn't seem to match. It became the Railway Training School 1939-45. Who's the Royal Engineers expert on the board?
The Royal Engineers commandeered the L.M.S. School of Transport, London Road, Derby for training purposes. There was also a R.E. Railway Training Centre at Melbourne and Kings Newton, Derbyshire. Melbourne line - Wikipedia LMS School of Transport - Derby Blue Plaques BBC - WW2 People's War - Second World War Experiences: With the Royal Engineers
My father-in-law was an Officer in Royal Engineers. Same cap badge as your picture I think Clarence Littlewood by triumph guy posted Apr 14, 2013 at 8:34 PM