85592 Peter Alexander Rupert CARINGTON, MC, 2 Grenadier Guards

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  1. dbf

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  2. smdarby

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  3. geoff501

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    I often wonder about this and is there a connexion. Thatcher had five Military Crosses in her first cabinet.
    Look at the f***wits who are in power these days.
     
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  4. Charley Fortnum

    Charley Fortnum Dreaming of Red Eagles

    Could you supply the names?

    Carrington, Pym, Whitelaw...
     
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  5. Lindele

    Lindele formerly HA96

    Dear Diane,
    I really enjoyed reading all of it. And there is a Freiburg an der Elbe. And it makes sense too, because anything east was the Russian Zone.

    Stefan.

    NB: my dad was a British POW, just west of Freiburg and sent down to Hanover in 1946. He would have loved the statements about German soldiers.
     
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  6. geoff501

    geoff501 Achtung Feind hört mit

    Sorry, I can't.
    I never trust the shit spouted from Radio 3's Breakfast, but I heard this on Radio 3 PM, which may be more reliable. Airy Neave at a guess?

    EDIT: Sorry Radio 4 ! R3 is all good.
     
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  7. bamboo43

    bamboo43 Very Senior Member

    I'm struggling after Carrington, Pym and Neave.
     
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  8. geoff501

    geoff501 Achtung Feind hört mit

    Maybe they got it wrong - maybe I did. But the BBC are never wrong. Neave died just before Thatcher was PM. The fifth may have been Robert Boscawen (MC at Arnhem), but not an actual Cabinet member. He was the last MC in government.
     
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  9. Steve Mac

    Steve Mac Very Senior Member

    Airey Neave was killed by the INLA before Margaret Thatcher became PM, so he could never have been in her first cabinet.

    The only WWII medal recipients in Thatcher’s first cabinet I can identify are...

    Military Cross recipients:
    Foreign Secretary - Major The Right Honourable Peter Alexander Rupert Carington, 6th Baron Carrington - Guards Armoured Division (commissioned into the Grenadier Guards) - NWE

    Home Secretary - William Stephen Ian Whitelaw, 1st Viscount Whitelaw - 6th Guards Tank Brigade (commissioned into the Scots Guards) - NWE

    Defence Secretary - Francis Leslie Pym, Baron Pym - 9th Lancers (2nd Armoured Brigade, 1st Armoured Division). He also received two MiDs - North Africa or Italy

    French Croix de Guerre recipient:
    Lord President of the Council - Arthur Christopher John Soames, Baron Soames - Coldstream Guards - North Africa

    MiD:
    Industry Secretary - The Right Honourable Keith Sinjohn Joseph, Baron Joseph, Sir Keith Joseph, 2nd Baronet - Royal Artillery - Believed to be Italy.
     
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    Name Whitelaw, William Stephen Ian
    Rank: Temporary Major
    Service No: 89506
    Regiment: 3 Tank Battalion Scots Guards
    Theatre of Combat or Operation: North West Europe 1944-45
    Award: Military Cross
    Date of Announcement in London Gazette: 21 December 1944
    Date 1944
    Catalogue reference WO 373/49
    Gallantry Awards & Honours: SCOTS GUARDS

    Recommendation for Award for Pym, Francis Leslie Rank: Lieutenant Service... | The National Archives
    Reference: WO 373/14/369
    Description:
    Name Pym, Francis Leslie
    Rank: Lieutenant
    Service No: 235196
    Regiment: 9 Queen's Royal Lancers
    Theatre of Combat or Operation: Italy
    Award: Military Cross
    Date of announcement in London Gazette: 13 December 1945
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  11. dbf

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    Following on from smdarby's post, another obit
    Lord Carrington obituary

    "He once passed Margaret Thatcher a note about a foreign dignitary to whom she was offering the undiluted benefit of her views which read: “The poor chap’s come 600 miles. Do let him say something.”"
     
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  12. Steve Mac

    Steve Mac Very Senior Member

    As mentioned in an earlier post, Robert "Bob" Thomas Boscawen MC was not an original Thatcher cabinet member, rather he was a Lord of the Treasury from 9 January 1981.

    However, Sir David ‘Carol’ MacDonnell Mather MC, again, although not an original Thatcher cabinet member, he was an original Lord of the Treasury.

    Also, Thomas Trenchard, 2nd Viscount Trenchard MC was an original Minster of State for Industry.

    So could the original 5 be Ministers: Carington, Whitelaw, Pym, Mather and Trenchard?
     
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    Personal Number: 85592
    Rank: Major
    Name: Peter Alexander Rupert CARINGTON, KG, GCMG, CH, MC, 6th Baron CARRINGTON
    Unit: Grenadier Guards


    London Gazette : 27 January 1939
    https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/34593/page/608/data.pdf
    The undermentioned Gentlemen Cadets, from the Royal Military College, to be 2nd Lts. 26th Jan. 1939:—
    FOOT GUARDS.
    Gren. G'ds.—
    Peter Alexander Rupert, Lord CARRINGTON.

    London Gazette : 18 February 1941
    https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/35077/supplement/954/data.pdf
    FOOT GUARDS.
    The undermentioned 2nd Lts.to be Lts.:—
    1st Jan. 1941:—
    Gren. G'ds.
    The Lord Carrington (85592).

    London Gazette : 1 March 1945
    https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/36961/supplement/1175/data.pdf
    The KING has -been .graciously pleased to approve the following awards in recognition of gallant and distinguished services in North West Europe:—
    The Military Cross.
    Lieutenant (temporary Captain) The Lord Peter Alexander Rupert Carrington (85592), Grenadier Guards (Woolacombe).

    London Gazette : 2 July 1946
    https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/37635/supplement/3375/data.pdf
    FOOT GUARDS
    The undermentioned Lts to be Capts 1st July, 1946.—
    Gren.G'ds.
    (War Subs Capt.) The Lord CARRINGTON, MC. (85592).

    London Gazette : 12 November 1946
    https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/37783/supplement/5517/data.pdf
    FOOT GUARDS.
    Gren. G'ds.
    The notifn. regarding Lt. (War Subs. Capt.) The Lord CARRINGTON, M.C. (85592), in Gazette (Supplement) dated 2nd July 1946 is cancelled.

    London Gazette : 10 June 1949
    https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/38636/supplement/2877/data.pdf
    MEMORANDA
    Lt. (War Subs. Capt.) The Lord CARRINGTON, M.C. (85592), Unempld. List (late Gren. Gds.), resigns his commn., l l t h Apr. 1949, and is granted the hon. rank of Maj.

    London Gazette : 1 July 1949
    https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/38654/supplement/3231/data.pdf
    FOOT GUARDS.
    Gren. G'ds.
    Capt. (Hon. Maj.) The LORD CARRINGTON, M.C. (85592), late Gren. G'ds., to be Capt., 11th Apr. 1949, retaining the hon. rank of Maj.

    London Gazette : 6 July 1951
    https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/39278/page/3687/data.pdf
    Commission signed by the Lord Lieutenant of the County of Buckingham.
    Major The Rt. Hon. Peter Alexander Rupert, Baron Carrington, M.C., of The Manor House, Bledlow, Aylesbury, in the county of Buckingham, to be a Deputy Lieutenant.—Dated 2nd July, 1951.

    London Gazette : 12 June 1958
    https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/41404/supplement/3514/data.pdf
    The QUEEN 'has been graciously pleased, on the occasion of the Celebration of Her Majesty's Birthday, to give directions for the following appointments to the Most' Dis- tinguished Order of Saint Michael and Saint George: —
    To be Members of the Second Class, or Knights Commanders, of the said Most Distinguished Order:—
    The Right Honourable Peter Alexander Rupert, Baron CARRINGTON, M.C., High Commissioner for the United Kingdom in the Commonwealth of Australia.

    London Gazette : 3 November 1959
    https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/41860/page/6942/data.pdf
    The QUEEN has been pleased .by Letters Patent under the Great Seal bearing date the 19th day of October 1959, to appoint:
    Major Peter Alexander Rupert Baron Carrington. K.C.M.G., M.C. (R.A.R.O.),
    to be Commissioners for executing the Office of Lord High Admiral of the United Kingdom.

    London Gazette : 11 December 1959
    https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/41891/page/7851/data.pdf
    The QUEEN has beep pleased by Letters! Patent under the Great Seal bearing date the 9th day of December 1959, to appoint:
    Major the Right Honourable Peter Alexander Rupert Baron. Carrington, K.C.M.G., M.C. (R.A.R.O.),
    to be Commissioners for executing the Office of Lord High Admiral of the United Kingdom.

    London Gazette : 26 February 1960
    https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/41966/page/1451/data.pdf
    The QUEEN has been (pleased! by Letters (Patent under the Great Seal bearing date the 20th day of February 1960, to appoint:
    to be Commissioners for executing the Office of Lord High Admiral of the United Kingdom.
    Major the (Right Honourable Peter Alexander 'Rupert Baron Carrington, K.CM.'G., MJC. (RJAJI.Q.),

    London Gazette : 27 May 1960
    https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/42044/page/3736/data.pdf
    The QUEEN has been pleased by Letters Patent under the Great Seal bearing date 23rd of May 1960, ito appoint:
    Major the Right Honourable Peter Alexander Rupert Baron Carrington, K.C.M.G., M.C. (R.A.R.O.),
    to be Commissioners for executing the Office of Lord High Admiral of the United Kingdom.

    London Gazette : 13 January 1961
    https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/42249/page/263/data.pdf
    The QUEEN has been, (pleased by Letters Patent under the Great SeaJ bearing date 10th January 1961, to appoint
    Major the (Right Honourable Peter Alexander Rupert Baron Carrington,, K.C.MJG., M.C.
    (R.A.R.O.),
    to be Commissioners for executing the Office of Lord High Admiral of the United Kingdom.

    London Gazette : 7 April 1961
    https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/42321/page/2546/data.pdf
    The QUEEN has been pleased by Letters Patent under the Great Seal bearing date the 1st day of April 1961, to appoint
    Major the Right Honourable Peter Alexander Rupert Baron Carrington, K.C.M.G., M.C. (R.A.R.O.),
    to be Commissioners for executing the Office of Lord High Admiral of the United Kingdom.

    London Gazette : 29 September 1961
    https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/42476/page/7055/data.pdf
    The QUEEN has been pleased by Letters Patent under the Great Seal bearing date 28th September 119.61, to appoint
    Major the Right Honourable Peter Alexander Rupert (Baron (Carrington, K.C.M.G., M.C., (R.A.R.O.),
    to be Commissioners for executing the Office of. Lord High Admiral of the United Kingdom.

    London Gazette : 3 November 1961
    https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/42504/page/7931/data.pdf
    The QUEEN has been pleased by Letters Patent under the Great Seal bearing date 1st November 1961, to appoint:
    Major the Right Honourable Peter Alexander Rupert Baron Carrington, K.C.M.G., M.C., (RA.R.O.),
    to be Commissioners for executing the Office of. Lord High Admiral of the United Kingdom.

    London Gazette : 5 January 1962
    https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/42564/page/145/data.pdf
    The QUEEN has been pleased by Letters Patent under the Great Seal bearing date 3rd January 1962, to appoint:
    Major the (Right Honourable Peter Alexander 'Rupert Baron Carrington, K.C.M.G., M.C. (R.A.R.O.),
    to be Commissioners for executing the Office of. Lord High Admiral of the United Kingdom.

    London Gazette : 1 February 1963
    https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/42909/page/980/data.pdf
    The QUEEN has been pleased by Letters Patent under the Great Seal bearing date the 30th day of January 1963, to appoint
    Major the Right Honourable Peter Alexander Rupert Baron Carrington, K.C.M.G., M.C. (R.A.R.O.),
    to be. Commissioners for executing the Office of Lord High Admiral of the United Kingdom.

    London Gazette : 19 February 1963
    https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/42925/page/1619/data.pdf
    The QUEEN has been pleased by Letters Patent under the Great Seal bearing date the 15th day of February 1963, to appoint:
    Major the Right Honourable Peter Alexander Rupert Baron Carrington, K.C.M.G., M.C. (R.A.R.O.),
    to be Commissioners for executing the Office of Lord High Admiral of the United Kingdom.

    London Gazette : 17 May 1963
    https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/42995/page/4217/data.pdf
    The QUEEN has been pleased by Letters Patent under the Great Seal bearing date the 10th day of May 1963, to appoint:
    Major the Right Honourable Peter Alexander Rupert Baron Carrington, K.C.M.G., M.C,,, (R.A.R.O.),
    to be Commissioners for executing the Office of Lord High Admiral of the United Kingdom.

    London Gazette : 9 August 1963
    https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/43077/page/6683/data.pdf
    The QUEEN has been pleased by Letters Patent under the Great Seal bearing date the 7th day of August 1963, to appoint:
    Major the Right Honourable Peter Alexander Rupert Baron Carrington, K.C.M.G., M.C. (R.A.R.O.),
    to be Commissioners for executing the Office of Lord High Admiral of the United Kingdom.

    London Gazette : 11 June 1983
    https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/49375/supplement/19/data.pdf
    THE QUEEN has been graciously pleased, on the occasion of the Celebration of Her Majesty's. Birth- day, to give orders for the following appointments to the Order of the Companions of Honour:
    C.H.
    To be Members of the Order :
    The Right Honourable Peter Alexander Rupert, Baron CARRINGTON, K.C.M.G., M.C., Secre- tary of State for Defence, 1970-74. Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs 1979-82.

    London Gazette : 3 August 1984
    https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/49826/page/10601/data.pdf
    (To be dated 1st August 1984)
    The QUEEN has been graciously pleased to appoint The Right Honourable Peter Alexander Rupert, Baron CARRINGTON, C.H., K.C.M.G., M.C., to be Chancellor of the Most Distinguished Order of Saint Michael and Saint George, in the room of The Right Honourable William Philip, Viscount De L'ISLE, V.C., K.G., G.C.M.G., G.C.V.O., retired.

    London Gazette : 25 April 1985
    https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/50104/page/5844/data.pdf
    The QUEEN has been graciously pleased to appoint the undermentioned to be Knights Companions of the Most Noble Order of the Garter
    (To be dated 23rd April 1985)
    The Right Honourable Peter Alexander Rupert, Baron CARRINGTON, CH, KCMG, MC

    London Gazette : 11 June 1988
    https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/51365/supplement/3/data.pdf
    DIPLOMATIC SERVICE AND OVERSEAS LIST
    G.C.M.G.
    To be an Ordinary Member of the First Class, or Knight Grand Cross of the said Most Distinguished Order:
    THE QUEEN has been graciously pleased, on the occasion of the Celebration of Her Majesty's Birthday, to give orders for the following promotions in and appointments to the Most Distinguished Order of Saint Michael and Saint George:
    The Right Honourable Peter Alexander Rupert, Baron CARRINGTON, K.G., C.H., K.C.M.G., M.C., Secretary-General, North Atlantic Treaty Organisation, Brussels.

    London Gazette : 7 June 1994
    https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/53691/page/8301/data.pdf
    The QUEEN has been graciously pleased to appoint Sir Antony Arthur ACLAND, G.C.M.G., G.C. V.O., to be Chancellor of the Most Distinguished Order of Saint Michael and Saint George, in the room of The Right Honourable Peter Alexander Rupert, Baron CARRINGTON, K.G., G.C.M.G., C.H., M.C., retired.

    London Gazette : 8 November 1994
    https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/53843/page/15625/data.pdf
    The QUEEN has been graciously pleased to grant unto the Right Honourable Peter Alexander Rupert, Lord Carrington, KG., GCMG., CH., MC, the Office of Chancellor of the Most Noble Order of the Garter, in the room of the Most Honourable John Henry Guy, Marquess of Abergavenny, KG., OBE., retired.
    8th November 1994




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