"Foxhound" armoured car?

I posted this images on a modelling site and someone pointed out the oddity of a listing of "Foxhound" armoured cars. Another person speculated that perhaps these referred to American-made M20 armoured cars. Has anyone run into this name for the M20?

The images are the return sheets (holdings) for the 1st Canadian Army from May 1945.

 

I can't blow these up enough to read but I've never heard the M20 AUC referred to by a name or even one across a reference to them in Canadian / U.K. Service

 

Hi Jon, try clicking on the images. That should open them in imgur, and you can then zoom in on them.

Anyway - thank you for your input! It's strange...

 

Found this:

Fox Armoured Car - Wikipedia

 

Yeeees... but the Fox is listed separately in the documents.

 

Oh, I see now, Fox vs Foxhound.

 

Think this is the Canadian version of the Humber AC, which mounted the Browning .5 in the turret.

 

A mention here: Made in Canada - CMP vehicles > Car, Armoured, Mark I, Fox I

 

This could be an AA variant of the Fox. There were certainly AA versions of the Humber and the Staghound, and I vaguely recall propositions for the Canadians to also supply some AA armoured cars.

Hmm......

 

Here's another possibility - the numbers at least match with the 1st Canadian Army table:

 

What is a "rear link" vehicle?

 

A rear link carried an additional high-power (HP) wireless set for contacting higher formation - i.e. from regimental to brigade level. Sometimes this necessitated the removal of the armament.

Actually realised I can't count - there were 18 Foxhounds in 1st Canadian Army, and 17 of these conversions - at least initially.

 

Just to add on to what Don Juan posted I found the following passage on page 7 of The Staghound in Canadian Service by Roger V Lucy:

So perhaps Foxhound was the name given to this version of the Fox, in line with the other "hounds" serving with the Canadians.

 

Thanks guys, that's an interesting possibility!

 

I've had a look through my partial returns for 21AG AFV and there is one for 5th May 1945.

5th Cdn Armd Div is shown with Armd Cars as; 2 Greyhound, 1 Daimler (2-pr) and 10 Fox. Just to note the Fox is under armoured cars, not scout cars, and is not termed Foxhound, just Fox. There are two more such vehicles listed with units/HQs, one with 12 Corps Tps and one with First Cdn Army Tps. Total Unit Entitlements (as authorised by WE, orders, etc) for 21AG is 248. There is a footnote that these vehicles are 'for Internal Security'. Total holdings by Parks and sundry on this date are 182.

The return lists headings for; Staghound, divided by type as I (37-mm), II (3-in how), III (75-mm) and AA (0.50-cal); Greyhound; Humber IV (37-mm) and Humber AA; Daimler (2-pr); Fox (no armament detail noted); AEC I/II (6-pr), AEC III (75-mm). There isn't a separate column for armd cars fitted out as rear link vehicles.

I don't think that helps, but it's all I've got!

Gary

 

How many m8 Greyhounds please ?

 

Just a very light dusting as of May 1945; 2 with 5 Cdn Armd Div, 1 with 5th Br Inf Div and 1 with 2nd Cdn Corps Tps, plus 1 each with 21 AG Veh Pk and the ARG, for a grand total of six, with nil on UEs.

 

Muchardo appreciado !!

 

All of the ‘hounds’ that I am aware of were U.S. sourced vehicles. Colonel Icks listed four in the 1972 Profile: M8 Greyhound; T17 Staghound; T18 Boarhound and M38 Wolfhound. Another source offers Deerhound for the 6-wheeled T17.

Could these Foxhounds be M20s perhaps? Well, from http://www.canadiansoldiers.com/vehicles/armouredcars/armouredcars.htm:

The 1st Canadian Armoured Car Regiment (Royal Canadian Dragoons) used a mixture of Staghounds, halftracks and Daimlers in early 1944. As well, the US M8 Reconnaissance Car (or "Greyhound") was used in limited numbers in engineer units and in the RCD regimental headquarters.

The sources that I have to hand seem either to suggest Greyhound for both M8 & M20 or avoid naming the M20 entirely. The return shows only a single M8 and it seems to me that M20s would be more versatile and therefore useful to engineering units and RHQ in any case. Perhaps the RCD war diaries could shed some light on this.

 

There are another couple of wild animals on that report that I was unaware of - I knew that variants of the Ram were turned into APCs and known as Kangaroo

But I hadn't seen Wallaby before - basically a Kangaroo used for ammunition supply & the Badger flamethrower version (thanks Wiki)