How do I find the correct War Diary? Once a unit of interest has been established, and a date chosen, find the TNA unique code using Discovery search engine: The National Archives, Kew This engine will enable you to search for any file and retrieve a unique catalogue number. This engine is for their entire catalogue so specifying e.g. a series code, WO (for War Office) and date range, specific terms will increase chances of getting good results. http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/advanced-search
Where are War Diaries for other Commonwealth Armies? The National Archives Kew War Office: Canadian, South African, New Zealand and Indian (United Kingdom) Forces (Dominion Forces): War Diaries, Second World War | The National Archives ======================================================================== Australian as Spidge has reminded me these diaries are FREE to download. https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/awm52/ ======================================================================== Canadian Free access - War diaries - Héritage See also this linked Resource on the forum http://ww2talk.com/index.php?resources/heritage-canadiana-war-diaries-update.13/ http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/genealogy/022-909.007-e.html War Diaries through Heritage Canadiana http://ww2talk.com/index.php?threads/war-diary-directions-canadian-army-december-1939.60947/ ======================================================================== New Zealand War - Archives New Zealand. Te Rua Mahara o te Kāwanatanga http://ww2talk.com/forums/topic/54959-ww2-commonwealth-army-war-diaries/?p=642879 ======================================================================== South African Services to the public Search results: "south african forces" | The National Archives * See Andreas' post no. 32 and PsyWar's reply post no. 35 ======================================================================== N.B. USA records can be found at NARA http://www.archives.gov See this thread also For Sale: Digitized Photos and Records from the US National Archives
Are there any War Diaries for post-WW2 era? After WW2 ended Army units still carried out duties in various Theatres. Since hostilities had ceased the War Diary system was revised and units were required to file Quarterly Historical Reports, which as the name suggests were filed on a 3-monthly basis. Here is one example of QHRs filed for Irish Guards in Palestine. Quarterly Historical Reports: 1st Bn IRISH GUARDS, January 1947 - March 1949 Discussion thread for reports relating to Palestine Post war units Palestine ======================================================================== Please note that these categories below are for Theatres and it is worth checking availability of QHRs for specific units by way of TNA Discovery Search engine, or by clicking the 'Browse by Reference' option within the linked pages below. War Office: Middle East Land Forces: Quarterly Historical Reports | The National Archives ======================================================================== War Office: Central Mediterranean Forces: Quarterly Historical Reports | The National Archives ======================================================================== . War Office: British Troops in Austria: Quarterly Historical Reports | The National Archives ======================================================================== War Office: British Element Trieste Force: Quarterly Historical Reports | The National Archives ======================================================================== War Office: British Troops in Malta: Quarterly Historical Reports | The National Archives ======================================================================== War Office: Gibraltar Forces: Quarterly Historical Reports | The National Archives ======================================================================== War Office: British Army of the Rhine: Quarterly Historical Reports | The National Archives ======================================================================== War Office: Far East Land Forces: Quarterly Historical Reports | The National Archives ======================================================================== War Office: East and West Africa Forces: Quarterly Historical Reports | The National Archives ======================================================================== War Office: Caribbean Forces: Quarterly Historical Reports | The National Archives
What do the abbreviations used in War Diaries mean? Below are a few examples of the more common abbreviations used within diaries For a more comprehensive list, see this Resource Updated Resource - Abbreviations & Acronyms abbreviations | WW2Talk Help with War Diary Abbreviations 2 i/c - second-in-command 6-pdr (pounder) - artillery gun 17-pdr - artillery gun 25-pdr - artillery gun 88mm (millimetre) - german artillery gun a/tk - anti tank bn - battalion br - bridge CO - Commanding Officer coy - company CSM - Company Sergeant-Major HE - High Explosive IO - Intelligence Officer MO - Medical Officer offr - officer OR - Other Rank, not a commissioned officer pl - platoon Pt. - Point (usually a hill, given with height, taken from map, as in: Pt 102) QM - Quartermaster RAP - Regimental Aid Post rd - road rly - railway RSM - Regimental Sergeant-Major sec. - section SP - Self-propelled (gun) sqdn - squadron SO - Signal Officer tk - tank tp - troop tpt - transport x rds - crossroads
Other threads which might be useful Kew Tips National Archives - Kew Tips? Understanding War Diaries War Diary Disinformation? TNA series On Excel The National Archives Catalogue on Excel RAF records Obtaining RAF service records - The Rules.... Research tips WW2 Soldier Research - Tips and Links for New Researchers Campaign medals WW2 Campaign Stars & Medals info thread
Diane, Congratulations on the authoritative and comprehensive aide-memoire on War Diaries. It is a valuable guide to understanding and appreciating the function of War Diaries and their value to the researcher. I am glad I made a contribution but it is due to you and your painstaking research that has provided this unique and valued Thread for the Forum. If I may so, it is an excellent piece of work. Joe Brown.
Well done Diane! A most comprehensive and very useful thread. I know the Australian war diaries are free to download - is that the same for all other Commonwealth countries and the USA? Cheers Geoff
Ah that was cruel. There was I, hoping to have found the holy grail of South African war diaries, and nothing. 5,853 files of Canadian war diaries out of 5,930. Then some weird S.A. records and something about Indian forces in the UK... Someone needs to point out to the National Archives that their description is quite wrong... Still need to go to Jo'Burg I guess. All the best Andreas
Thank you for your help and your kind comments Joe. This is, as all good things are on this forum, a true collaboration. Free! Thanks Geoff, I've added that important part to the Aussie NA link. I have found some Canadian ones which were free to download, can't remember if they were WW1 or WW2. I'm afraid I'm just not up to speed on that side of things. Andreas, sorry it raised hopes! I've edited in a link to your post under those SA details. As ever, additions and corrections are welcome.
There are some in there, here's the South African ones: Search results: "south african forces" | The National Archives
Thanks mate. Nothing about CRUSADER, but if I ever want to do the history of the war in East Africa, I now know where to look! All the best Andreas
Not a war diary but this might be useful, if you haven't got it already: 1st South African Division: report on operations, Nov-Dec 1941: http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C165773
Thanks, that's really helpful. No chance of any of the South African Armoured Car Regiment war diaries though, I guess? And your Discovery-fu is strong! Cheers Andreas
Well done Diane, you have gone and done it again. A super effort and a great resource for those beginning their research pathway.
Couldn't agree more by the way. I wish I had known all that before first traipsing off to Kew. All the best Andreas
I note that the FIELD SERVICE REGULATIONS, VOLUME 1, Chapter XVIII, Section 174. War Diaries, states: "1. A war diary will be kept in duplicate..." - Message 13 refers. However, I note also that Army Form C2119A (the War Diary Cover), refers to an Original, Duplicate and Triplicate - Message 15 refers. I have always wondered but never asked, were War Diaries ever kept in Triplicate and if so, where did that third copy go for safe keeping/posterity? Best, Steve.
Strangely enough Lee and I chatted in passing about this the other day. Hope he doesn't mind me saying before he's had a chance to see this but he said he's only ever seen one case of a copy marked Triplicate. I can't say I've ever seen one so annotated, but then again, I've not kept an eye out either. Perhaps keeping a third copy for most diaries wasn't practicable, given the need for economies and the fact that 2 copies could be referenced easily enough...? I wonder if any forum members has seen an example, of if Joe has any thoughts on the matter? From my understanding there must have been a lot of 'duplication' as it was, i.e. with the up-down & side-ways communications between & within each level of command - Bn/Bde/Div/Corps plus attached/support units and their commands - the volume of paperwork must have been a nightmare to administrate and collate, let alone make sense of.
You've defeated me now, only thing I could find is the 3 South African Armoured Car Company war diary up to May 1941.
Probably because they knew that civies would tear the shit out of copies at the National Archives in years to come, making some pages unreadable. One of my conspiracy theories is the government have the other copies somewhere secret never to be released to the general public