Dieppe Raid, Operation Jubilee

Wills

Reading Capt. Browne's account of the Dieppe raid only reconfirms that the operation was doomed from the very start.
Thanks for the links.

 

Yes, I made no comment myself on the operation -the documents do that! The basic principle of ratios - attacker to defender would sound alarm bells.

regards.

 

With out this raid on Dieppe then Normandy could have been a blood bath for the Allies. So much was learnt from this raid that made the Normandy Invasion a success.

The need for specialised tanks was dealt with with a wide range of Hobart funnies and the Americans refused these...

Mulberry harbour was thought up and built so that they would have there own port from the off, right down to a pipeline to bring fuel to France from England by a pipeline.

Now Dieppe may have been an expensive lesson but it paved the way for victory from what they learnt from it.

Tab, what lessons were learned at Dieppe that could not have been deduced from proper planning, trials & exercises?



Had they tried multiple landings in various weather conditions on similar British beachs they would have found the problems landing the tanks.

The development of specialized tanks was not the result of the Dieppe raid, as they were already in development for the Desert campaign in '41-'42 (Matilda Scorpion etc) and the need for certain specialized vehicles could have been done without actually landing in France.

A landing exercise against a beach with obstacles would have shown the problem of

There were already plans in place (& used) for demolition of port and airfield facilities to deny their use to the Axis, so somone in the logisitics branch obviously figured that a far larger volume of supplies was needed than could be brought through minor ports such as Dieppe, Cherbourg etc - and an alternative (Mulberries) was needed.

Well it is nice to know that the raid was a disaster and we learnt nothing from it and went ahead making the same old mistakes. I wonder why we succeeded at Normandy, I know it was because the Americans did all the planning and we had no input at all.


Were their lessons learned from the loss of the HMS Glorious?
Certainly, on a clear day, with Axis battlecruisers about, it is important to keep a lookout and have aircraft patrolling.

However the fact should have been obvious beforehand, and the truth of the matter is that the loss was due to bungled planning and incompetence.

The same goes for the Dieppe landing, it was excused that "lessons were learned" rather than admit that it was just a badly botched operation probably that shouldn't have gone forward.

I tend to agree with this, if Louie hadn't had approval, he would have been removed;
instead he got promoted.


Mountbatten had approval for a raid, but it seeems that the chiefs didn't expect that he would try to land the bulk of a division, with massive casualties.
I'd have to look, but I seem to remember that Churchill & the C.I.G.S. were away in the MidEast at the time, and not aware of the full extent of the plans.

As for Mountbatten's promotion, he couldn't be sacked as he was in-laws with the king, so was shielded from much criticism.

 

August 19th 2012 will be the 70th Anniversary of the Dieppe Raid.

 

That should be commemorated very solemnly indeed, and I hope Canada has plans to do so. I still get angry when I read about Dieppe.

 

That should be commemorated very solemnly indeed, and I hope Canada has plans to do so. I still get angry when I read about Dieppe.

It is commemorated but not to the degree that it should be. I take my lead from the men who were there and not one, that I have met, shed a tear when Mountbatten met an early end. Still a controversial subject.

 

http://www.commandoveterans.org/cdoGallery/d/20886-5/Dieppe+Summary.pdf

 

Lt. Colonel Gordon Howard McTavish had a poem dedicated to him by his sister. It makes poignant reading. You need to read it then re read it to realise the how powerful the message is here.

The actual doll house incident occurred about 1915 when his little sister Mona was seven.

In civilain life Lt. Col. McTavish was a professional engineer and he was aged in his late forties when he died at Dieppe. Many senior Officers died at the Dieppe landings and others were taken POW.

He is commemorated at Brookwood Military Cemetery Surrey U.K on Panel 23 Column 2 of the Canadian Memorial.

Archive material:

Speech - Veterans Affairs Canada

Speech - Veterans Affairs Canada

Veterans Affairs Canada Virtual War Memorial:


Search Details - Veterans Affairs Canada

Photo Collection - Veterans Affairs Canada

 

70 years on and more disinformation!

Breaking German codes real reason for 1942 Dieppe raid: historian

 

Tim

yet another Historian coming up with yet another reason to gather in a few bucks - and i would suspect that he has facts to back this up

Cheers
Tom

 

Tim

yet another Historian coming up with yet another reason to gather in a few bucks - and i would suspect that he has facts to back this up
Cheers
Tom

Correct Tom. Promotion trumps the truth.
It was a pre-sell for an upcoming History Channel special. The fact that 30 Commando was tasked with gathering intelligence is not new information. The use of 5,000 men to effect the theft of an Enigma machine is quite a stretch. Particularly since the great value of Ultra was the Germans never knowing the Allies had the the machines to begin with.

 

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In memory of all those who fell at Dieppe.

Keith

 

Let us all bare our heads in memory of this.

 

The French have the right spirit. People of Dieppe welcome Canadian veterans with open arms - Hamilton

 

The French have the right spirit. People of Dieppe welcome Canadian veterans with open arms - Hamilton

I had the pleasure of being in Dieppe for the 65th anniversary and in the company of two veterans from that raid, Tom Baker of the Calgary Tanks and Ron Reynolds of the Royal Regiment of Canada. While there were some French people in attendance at the ceremonies, the numbers were not large and I must say that I found most to be aloof and completely disinterested.

 

On this day over Dieppe a friends father - the CO of 64 Sqn RAF was shot down and later rescued. The then Sqn Ldr Duncan Smith - who went onto to become Grp Cpt Duncan Smith DSO* DFC. (Son a cabinet minister UK)

 

Don't know if this has been on before but,

'Dieppe Uncovered' is on at 9.00pm on Sunday 19th August on Yesterday

In 1942, Allied forces mounted a disastrous attack on the French port of Dieppe. Now the truth behind the ill-fated raid and the role played by author Ian Fleming is revealed.

Repeated at 7.40am on Monday 20th August on Yesterday

 

Bit of a puzzle... MY Company 246 Field RE at the time of Dieppe, sailed across the channel, up the French coast, and home again. I certainly was not with them at that time. But it is of interest. I have only seen one report about this escapade and that was years ago...This ttok place long before my time...,

 

All
there is no doubt that Dieppe was a disaster from the is inception; however, Historian David Okeefe is releasing Docu/movie in Dieppe this evening [0th annaversary] in it he tells us that Dieppe raid was in part a deception mounted to steal code books and Enigma machine from German Naval HQ quartered in Dieppe. In any case I wait with anticipation on his findings. here is a link to a montreal Gazette story from earlier in the week. I dont believe this is about mitigation or rationalization for the debacle but more about reconcilling the history for its planning. Documentary puts the ghosts of Dieppe to rest