Coldstream Guards unit help

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  1. roodymiller

    roodymiller Senior Member

    Does anyone know anything about this unit? I'm not sure what it is myself!

    The picture is hanging on the wall at my Dads house.

    My great uncle is on the back row (G. Woolhouse) and my dad says that he doesn't recall him ever going to war. Maybe that was just my uncle but not the unit.

    I've done a quick google search, but to no avail. Haven't had time to go into the realms of the archives yet as I've only just started to research him.

    Andrew
     

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  2. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    It's of a recruit training squad at The Guards Depot at Caterham.

    It would be interesting to look those names up in the Coldstream history to see who survived, if any were awarded decorations etc etc just I haven't got theirs.
     
    Owen, Feb 15, 2011
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  3. dbf

    dbf Moderatrix MOD

    Andrew this is a squad passing out photo ... so he would have joined at least 4 months before the date.

    You could apply for records from Wellington Barracks. Do you have a no., if not DOB should be fine with full name.
    The Regimental Archivist, H.Q. Coldstream Guards, Wellington Barracks, Birdcage Walk, London, SW1E 6HQ


    For comparison here's an IG one that Paul let me feature on my website
    cpl P. McCARTHY’S SQUAD, JULY 1940
     
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  4. dbf

    dbf Moderatrix MOD

    Checking through my spreadsheet for info and edit in more as/when I find something.

    These are possibilities:

    J Ogle:
    Guardsman JOHN GEORGE OGLE 2661317, 2nd Bn., Coldstream Guards who died age 23 on 28 May 1944
    Son of George William and Mary Vina Ogle, of South Broomhill, Northumberland.
    Remembered with honour CASSINO WAR CEMETERY
    Grave/Memorial Reference: VIII. B. 14.
    CWGC :: Casualty Details


    POW: 2661338 Guardsman NEWHAM E. A. 249806 Stlg 4 D/Z Annaburg, Saxony-Anhalt, Germany


    J Arlington:
    Lance Serjeant JOHN ARTHUR ARLINGTON 2661348, 2nd Bn., Coldstream Guards who died age 29 on 23 February 1944
    Son of George and Ada Arlington; husband of Marjorie May Arlington, of Queslett, Warwickshire.
    Remembered with honour NAPLES WAR CEMETERY
    Grave/Memorial Reference: II. M. 16.
    CWGC :: Casualty Details


    W Salmon:
    Guardsman WALTER SALMON 2661391, 5th Bn., Coldstream Guards who died age 30 on 03 August 1944
    Remembered with honour BANNEVILLE-LA-CAMPAGNE WAR CEMETERY
    Grave/Memorial Reference: XVI. B. 12.
    CWGC :: Casualty Details
     
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  5. dbf

    dbf Moderatrix MOD

    Just going simply by their regimental nos. I'd say that it's very likely all the above-named men are the ones in the squad photo.

    So your grand uncle's no. just might start with 26613xx

    I don't have Liberation Reports for any CG, but if you are interested in researching any further, you could check Kew to see if one is held for Guardsman Newham.
     
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  6. dbf

    dbf Moderatrix MOD

    Just transcribed the names so that they can be found if searched for
    Sergeant H. Marshall's Squad, Coldstream Guards, July 1940:

    Guardsman J. OGLE
    Guardsman A. LLEWELLYN
    Guardsman G. WOOLHOUSE
    Guardsman G. EVERITT
    Guardsman E. NEWHAM
    Guardsman J. ARLINTON

    Guardsman F. RATCLIFFE
    Guardsman C. GALLAGHER
    Guardsman G. EDWARDS
    Guardsman P. ANDREWS
    Guardsman J. WELCH
    Guardsman G. RABY
    Guardsman P. MULLALLY
    Guardsman G. WATKINS
    Guardsman F. MASSEY
    Guardsman N. HAIN
    Guardsman S. WALKER

    Guardsman F. HANSFORD
    Guardsman W. BUTTERFIELD
    Guardsman W. SALMON
    Sergeant H. MARSHALL (Squad Instructor)
    Trained Soldier H. SMITH
    Guardsman H. HIGGINS
    Guardsman J. BERRIMAN
    Guardsman J. CARTWRIGHT
     
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  7. roodymiller

    roodymiller Senior Member

    Cheers guys. Much appreciated. I will research more indepth soon, but at the moment I'm still tied up with my great uncles brother Walter who was in 13 Para.
     
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  8. Timbtrucker

    Timbtrucker Junior Member

    My dad was in the Coldstream Guards No 2662130 - He remembers Guardsman Higgins very well, he was an Irishman with a really good sense of humour - he used to keep the Guardsmen entertained. He certainly went to war. I have a picture of him.

    Tim
     
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  9. dbf

    dbf Moderatrix MOD

    Tim,
    Could you show your Dad the squad photo Andrew posted, to see if he recognises a face or name?

    At least one of the men - Walter Salmon - was with the 5th Battalion in Normandy as well, when he was killed. Capt. Lomer was awarded MC for his actions that day. The 5th Bn CG were with the 2nd Armoured Battalion Irish Guards at the time near La Marvindiere farm.

    All my best
    Diane
     
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  10. Timbtrucker

    Timbtrucker Junior Member

    Diane
    I will read the names out to him to see if he remembers any of them. He won’t be able to see the photos though, he registered blind.
    He’s fine mentally and not bad physically but unfortunately his eye sight has gone.

    Best regards

    Tim
     
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  11. dbf

    dbf Moderatrix MOD

    Sorry to hear that Tim, my apologies.

    Let's hope some names ring a bell, even if it's a faint one.

    All the best
    D
     
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  12. Timbtrucker

    Timbtrucker Junior Member

    Hi
    Seen my dad Stan tonight and read the names out to him, beside his mate Guardsman Higgins he remembers Guardsman Ratcliffe who lived up the road from Stan in Willaston near Nantwich. Ratcliffe was a dispatch rider. Stan says he was always in trouble and he was often in the guard room on a charge. After the war he did not return to Nantwich, but went to Frome Somerset where the Coldstream Guards had been billeted for quite some time during their training.
    As for Guardsman Woolhouse Stan says that he could have been transferred - at one time the RAF were short of men, you could transfer to them but the’ Guards’ stipulated that they would only let this happen if the candidate could pass the pilots exam – that’s where Higgins came unstuck !
    After Stan had been on one of the Snipers courses he was recommended to go back to the training unit as Sergeant Instructor but the Commanding Officer was having none of that. He sent for Stan and told him that he had done very well but there was no way he could allow this transfer. Stan says that would have been a cushy number
    Best Regards

    Tim
     
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  13. dazz2401

    dazz2401 New Member

    i know this post is a little late but I've only just joined. Thank you for posting that photograph on here.... My Great Uncle Walter SALMON, 2661391 is pictured and is amazing to see him
     
    dazz2401, Aug 19, 2014
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  14. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot 1940 Obsessive

    From Post No. 4

    W Salmon:
    Guardsman WALTER SALMON 2661391, 5th Bn., Coldstream Guards who died age 30 on 03 August 1944
    Remembered with honour BANNEVILLE-LA-CAMPAGNE WAR CEMETERY
    Grave/Memorial Reference: XVI. B. 12.
    CWGC :: Casualty Details

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  15. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot 1940 Obsessive

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  16. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot 1940 Obsessive

    Not convinced he was with the Bn though, may be the Brigade HQ? The 5 CG war diary has a series of quite detailed appendices listing their killed, wounded and missing on a day to day basis and Guardsman Salmon is not listed.
     
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  17. Kim DAy

    Kim DAy New Member

    Hi. My Grandad is Jack Cartwright. Front Row right.They were 1st Battalion CG. My Grandad was in Germany and Holland. He survived the war I am glad to say. He died in 1990's.I would be so happy if anyone could tell me where they served in more detail.
     
    Kim DAy, Oct 17, 2017
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  18. Kim DAy

    Kim DAy New Member

    My Grandad Jack Cartwright is in the front row of this photo. Ive been trying to research him in the 1st battalion but from the remarks of others it seems they were sometimes moved to other battalions during action. Is that right?
     
    Kim DAy, Oct 17, 2017
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  19. Tullybrone

    Tullybrone Senior Member

    Hi,

    Soldiers could be posted to any of the the 5 Coldstream Guards battalions on completion of their training. They could then move between battalions - especially when 1st & 4th Tank Battalions were being formed.

    The only way anyone will get a full account of CG soldiers movements post training is by obtaining their service records from RHQ CG.

    Steve Y
     
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  20. Catherine barratt

    Catherine barratt New Member

    You wouldnt happen to have the full photo of this unit?
    My great grandad J. Arlington is labelled on the back row.
     
    Catherine barratt, Jan 16, 2022
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