Drafting Eisenhower - October 11, 2007 - The New York Sun
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"The Eastern front is like a house of cards. If the front is broken through at one point all the rest will collapse."
- General Heinz Guderian
"There's no "i" in team, but there's four in Platitude Quoting Idiot"
Posted 11 December 2007 - 03:23 PM
Having just finished reading the excellent new biography of Eisenhower, Ike: An American Hero by Michael Korda, the conclusion is that there is no proof whatsoever that Ike's relationship with Kay Summersby was anything more than friendship.
Patton, on the other hand, had as a companion a lady he referred to as his "niece." It is assumed that she was his mistress, but whether that is true I don't know.
Posted 11 December 2007 - 03:38 PM
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Posted 12 December 2007 - 11:15 AM
Good new topic Capt.
Did anyone ever see the TV mini series Ike? Great series. Stared Robert Duval as Ike and Lee Remick as Kay Sumersby.
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Posted 12 December 2007 - 12:54 PM
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Posted 12 December 2007 - 01:49 PM
As you say JT, it must have been good to be able to at least talk to someone outside of the chain of command and let off a bit of steam, regardless of whether thier relationship was physical and emotional. Given the awful fate of Patton's niece, it is good to see that Kay enjoyed a happy later life. Do you know if thier relationship continued when Ike took up the Presidency?
Posted 12 December 2007 - 03:15 PM
Here's a great quote, Ike to Kay, June 5th, 1944: "I hope to God I know what I'm doing."
To no one else in Britain could he have made such a statement.
Posted 12 December 2007 - 03:34 PM
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Posted 12 December 2007 - 03:55 PM
look at poor General Werner von BLOMBERG, war Minister who remarried a much younger girl...forced to resign
Posted 12 December 2007 - 10:31 PM
Posted 13 December 2007 - 11:23 AM
Russians had a name for them, "Field Service Wives" or Pokhodno-Polevye Zheny or PPZh.
I expect Alex to correct me now.
Zhukov had a mistress , his personal Doctor, Lt Lidia Zakharova, they were together until after the war but relationship ended in early 1950s.
Having his own mistress didn't stop him berating General Katukov for having one. He ordered the affair to end or he'd get the NKVD to remove the woman.
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Posted 17 December 2007 - 11:28 AM
Thanks Owen, I had better go out and find a copy of Braithwaite 2004! Casting the net further, if most of the Golden Pheasents were at it (as seems the case), then there might be some unacknowledged children still alive produced by various relationships.
She's the one that gave the interview to Rodric Braithwaite in 2004 for his book Moscow 1941.
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