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#1 2nd ches

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Posted 23 September 2007 - 06:20 PM

D-Day Orders of Battle and Landing Lists.
Sorry if this has already been posted, Ive done a search and could not find it.

I have tried to track back to the original documents using the source given, but i can`t get them up. Hopefully someone with better research skills than mine could try and PLEASE let us know( see Link at bottom of page).

Warning there is a lots of detailed info on this site, be prepared to spend a long time here. Site is in French or English.


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MAIN SITE D-Day - Normandie 44 : Etat des Lieux - Débarquement et Bataille de Normandie

Sword Beach:Main Page D-Day : Normandy 1944 - SWORD BEACH : British Troops

Juno Beach: Main Page D-Day : Normandy 1944 - JUNO BEACH : Canadian Troops

Gold Beach: Main Page D-Day : Normandy 1944 - GOLD BEACH : British Troops

Omaha Beach: Main Page D-Day : Normandy 1944 - OMAHA BEACH : U.S. Troops

Utah Beach: Main Page D-Day : Normandy 1944 - UTAH BEACH : U.S. Troops

British 6th Airborne: Main Page D-Day : Normandy 1944 - British Airborne East of river Orne

American 82nd & 101st Airborne: Main Page D-Day : Normandy 1944 - U.S. Airborne in Cotentin Peninsula



LINK Archives New Zealand. Te Rua Mahara o te Kāwanatanga

Source : Archives New Zealand / Te Rua Mahara o te Kãwanatanga
Wellington Office - Reference: WAII 1, DA491.5/3
with the help of Jon Sowden.
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Posted 23 September 2007 - 06:44 PM

What an excellent site, the photographs are superb too, particularly the 'then & now' section. (I see a familiar face crops up under the Sword Beach 'testimony' too ;)).

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Posted 23 September 2007 - 07:25 PM

Glad i could bring "something to the table" so to say.
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Posted 23 September 2007 - 07:38 PM

Can anyone tell me what "MC" means im assuming its some type of vehicle?

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=625 border=1><TBODY><TR><TD class=news width=35>H

</TD><TD class=news vAlign=top width=100>23666/2013 LCT(A)
RM/2013 LCT(A)

38107/2013 LCT(A)


29630/2013 LCT(A)
</TD><TD class=news vAlign=top width=153>147 Fd Regt RA
1 RM Armd Sp Regt

320/ 93 LAA Bty RA


73 Fd Coy RE
</TD><TD class=news vAlign=top width=30>

5


18


</TD><TD class=news vAlign=top width=35>4

10


7



5


</TD><TD class=news vAlign=top width=25>1

2
2
1


1
1


</TD><TD class=news vAlign=top width=114>Carrier Univ
Centaur Tks
Porpoises
Crusader SP 20mm AA
1 MC
20mm AA Gun
M 14
</TD><TD class=news width=45>

LCT (A)



</TD><TD class=news width=55>Jig Green West side

</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>


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Posted 23 September 2007 - 08:01 PM

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Posted 23 September 2007 - 08:39 PM

That was an excellent account of the landings on Sword. Sadly it does not give the full landing sequence. Or even the mention of many units that gave courageous service that day.
It does not state that the DD tanks went in first, at the same time as the RE. It does not even mention the Assault teams, without the whole thing would not have been the success that it was. Shame really but it is always the same,

I have the proper landing sequence. I also have a plan where the Naval craft were docked or situated in Southampton waters. I also have the sequence of the RE assault teams that are not shown.
But then there were so many different units under command of Third Div.
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Posted 24 September 2007 - 07:04 AM

It must also be remembered that not everyone landed where and when they should have done.!!
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Posted 24 September 2007 - 01:41 PM

That was an excellent account of the landings on Sword. Sadly it does not give the full landing sequence. Or even the mention of many units that gave courageous service that day.
It does not state that the DD tanks went in first, at the same time as the RE. It does not even mention the Assault teams, without the whole thing would not have been the success that it was. Shame really but it is always the same,

I have the proper landing sequence. I also have a plan where the Naval craft were docked or situated in Southampton waters. I also have the sequence of the RE assault teams that are not shown.
But then there were so many different units under command of Third Div.


Hi Sapper, here is
the landing table at Sword, D-Day : Normandy 1944 - SWORD BEACH : British Troops

Order of Battle at SWord, D-Day : Normandy 1944 - SWORD BEACH : British Troops



<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=1><TBODY><TR><TD class=newstexte width="13%">Touch

Down





</TD><TD class=newstexte width="7%">Groups



</TD><TD class=newstexte width="36%">Forces

Queen Red - Queen White





</TD><TD class=newstexte width="31%">Composition

of Groups





</TD><TD class=newstexte width="13%">Leave

L. P(1)





</TD></TR><TR><TD class=newstexte width="13%">H - 7 1/2



</TD><TD class=newstexte width="7%">1



</TD><TD class=newstexte width="36%">DD Tanks

13th/18th Hussars





</TD><TD class=newstexte width="31%">2 LCN - 1 LCH - 1 ML

8 LCT(DD) - 3 LCS(L)

3 LCG(L) - 8 LCP(L)

10 LCP(L) & 8 LCH
(Despatch boats & Smoke)







</TD><TD class=newstexte width="13%">H - 125



</TD></TR><TR><TD class=newstexte rowSpan=2>H



</TD><TD class=newstexte width="7%">2



</TD><TD class=newstexte rowSpan=2>2nd East Yorks (Ass.Coys)

1st South Lancs (Ass.Coys)

5th Assault Rgt RE

Dets 22 Dragoons
R.M Armoured Batty
Rgt Centaur Tanks







</TD><TD class=newstexte width="31%">1 LCH - 10 LCT(AVRE)

20 LCA(Ass.Coys) - 2 LCF

9 LCA(HR) - 8 LCT(A)

1 LCT©







</TD><TD class=newstexte width="13%">H - 90



</TD></TR><TR><TD class=newstexte width="7%">3



</TD><TD class=newstexte width="31%">5 LCT®



</TD><TD class=newstexte width="13%">H - 76



</TD></TR><TR><TD class=newstexte width="13%">H + 20



</TD><TD class=newstexte width="7%">5



</TD><TD class=newstexte width="36%">2nd East Yorks (Ass.Coys)

1st South Lancs (Ass.Coys)

L.C.O.C.U. Beach Group







</TD><TD class=newstexte width="31%">2 LCF - 40 LCA(Ass.Coys)



</TD><TD class=newstexte width="13%">H - 60



</TD></TR><TR><TD class=newstexte width="13%">H + 30



</TD><TD class=newstexte width="7%">6



</TD><TD class=newstexte width="36%">French Commandos (2 Troops)

N°4 Commando





</TD><TD class=newstexte width="31%">2 LCI(S) - 8 LCA(TOWED)

14 LCA(COMMANDOS)





</TD><TD class=newstexte width="13%">H - 50



</TD></TR><TR><TD class=newstexte width="13%">H + 45



</TD><TD class=newstexte width="7%">7



</TD><TD class=newstexte width="36%">



</TD><TD class=newstexte width="31%">9 LCT(PRORITY VEHS.)

3 LCT(WADING TANKS)





</TD><TD class=newstexte width="13%">H - 40



</TD></TR><TR><TD class=newstexte width="13%">H + 60



</TD><TD class=newstexte width="7%">8



</TD><TD class=newstexte width="36%">1st Suffolk Regiment



</TD><TD class=newstexte width="31%">3 LCI(L) - 18 LCA(RESERVE)



</TD><TD class=newstexte width="13%">H - 20



</TD></TR><TR><TD class=newstexte rowSpan=2>H + 75



</TD><TD class=newstexte width="7%">4



</TD><TD class=newstexte width="36%">76th Field Rgt RA



</TD><TD class=newstexte width="31%">6 LCT(SP) - 1 ML



</TD><TD class=newstexte width="13%">H - 65



</TD></TR><TR><TD class=newstexte width="7%">9



</TD><TD class=newstexte width="36%">1st Commando Brigade HQ

N°6 Commando

N°41 Royal Marine Commando







</TD><TD class=newstexte width="31%">12 LCI(S)(COMMANDOS)



</TD><TD class=newstexte width="13%">H + 35



</TD></TR><TR><TD class=newstexte rowSpan=2>H + 105



</TD><TD class=newstexte width="7%">4A



</TD><TD class=newstexte width="36%">33rd Field Rgt RA



</TD><TD class=newstexte width="31%">6 LCT(SP) - 1 ML



</TD><TD class=newstexte width="13%">H - 65



</TD></TR><TR><TD class=newstexte width="7%">9A



</TD><TD class=newstexte width="36%">N°3 Commando

N°45 Royal Marine Commando





</TD><TD class=newstexte width="31%">10 LCI(S)(COMMANDOS)



</TD><TD class=newstexte width="13%">H + 65



</TD></TR><TR><TD class=newstexte width="13%">H + 120



</TD><TD class=newstexte width="7%">10



</TD><TD class=newstexte width="36%">



</TD><TD class=newstexte width="31%">9 LCT(2nd PRIORITY VEHS.)

2 LCT(STORES)






</TD><TD class=newstexte width="13%">H + 35



</TD></TR><TR><TD class=newstexte width="13%">H + 195



</TD><TD class=newstexte width="7%">4B



</TD><TD class=newstexte width="36%">7th Field Rgt RA



</TD><TD class=newstexte width="31%">6 LCT(SP) - 1 ML



</TD><TD class=newstexte width="13%">H - 65



</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>


(1) L.P : Lowering Position (position de départ à 8 miles de la côte)
RA : Royal Artillery
RE : Royal Engineers<!-- #EndEditable -->

It says the DD Tanks landed at H -7 1/2 minutes and the 5th Assault Rgt RE landed at H + 2 minutes.

My Grandfather was in the 2nd Btn Cheshire Rgt, he landed at Gold with the 50th Div. The landing lists for Gold are much more detailed they list No of men and eqipment heres an example from the 69th Brigade


<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=625 border=1><TBODY><TR><TD class=newstexte width=40 rowSpan=2>Ready to Beach



</TD><TD class=newstexte width=100 rowSpan=2>Unit / Craft

or Ship Serial





</TD><TD class=newstexte width=153 rowSpan=2>Unit or Sub Unit



</TD><TD class=newstexte colSpan=4>Personnel Vehicles / Stores



</TD><TD class=newstexte width=50 rowSpan=2>Craft Type



</TD><TD class=newstexte width=59 rowSpan=2>Land. Sector



</TD></TR><TR><TD class=news width=35>March. Parties



</TD><TD class=news width=35>Veh. Parties



</TD><TD class=news width=29>No / tons



</TD><TD class=news width=99>Type



</TD></TR><TR><TD class=news width=40>H -5



</TD><TD class=news width=100>1226/2400 LCT III</TD><TD class=news width=153>4/7 D G</TD><TD class=news width=35>



</TD><TD class=news width=35>25



</TD><TD class=news width=29>5



</TD><TD class=news width=99>DD</TD><TD class=news width=50>

LCT III







</TD><TD class=news width=59>King Green



</TD></TR><TR><TD class=news width=40>H -5



</TD><TD class=news width=100>1226/2401 LCT III</TD><TD class=news width=153>4/7 D G</TD><TD class=news width=35>



</TD><TD class=news width=35>25



</TD><TD class=news width=29>5



</TD><TD class=news width=99>DD</TD><TD class=news width=50>

LCT III







</TD><TD class=news width=59>King Green



</TD></TR><TR><TD class=news width=40>H -5



</TD><TD class=news width=100>1226/2402 LCT III</TD><TD class=news width=153>4/7 D G</TD><TD class=news width=35>



</TD><TD class=news width=35>25



</TD><TD class=news width=29>5



</TD><TD class=news width=99>DD</TD><TD class=news width=50>

LCT III







</TD><TD class=news width=59>King Green



</TD></TR><TR><TD class=news width=40>H -5



</TD><TD class=news width=100>1226/2403 LCT III</TD><TD class=news width=153>4/7 D G</TD><TD class=news width=35>



</TD><TD class=news width=35>25



</TD><TD class=news width=29>5



</TD><TD class=news width=99>DD</TD><TD class=news width=50>

LCT III







</TD><TD class=news width=59>King Green



</TD></TR><TR><TD class=news width=40>H -5



</TD><TD class=news width=100>1226/2404 LCT III</TD><TD class=news width=153>4/7 D G</TD><TD class=news width=35>



</TD><TD class=news width=35>25



</TD><TD class=news width=29>5



</TD><TD class=news width=99>DD</TD><TD class=news width=50>

LCT III







</TD><TD class=news width=59>King Red



</TD></TR><TR><TD class=news width=40>H -5



</TD><TD class=news width=100>1226/2405 LCT III</TD><TD class=news width=153>4/7 D G</TD><TD class=news width=35>



</TD><TD class=news width=35>25



</TD><TD class=news width=29>5



</TD><TD class=news width=99>DD</TD><TD class=news width=50>

LCT III







</TD><TD class=news width=59>King Red



</TD></TR><TR><TD class=news width=40>H -5



</TD><TD class=news width=100>1226/2406 LCT III</TD><TD class=news width=153>4/7 D G</TD><TD class=news width=35>



</TD><TD class=news width=35>25



</TD><TD class=news width=29>5



</TD><TD class=news width=99>DD</TD><TD class=news width=50>

LCT III







</TD><TD class=news width=59>King Red



</TD></TR><TR><TD class=news width=40>H -5



</TD><TD class=news width=100>1226/2407 LCT III</TD><TD class=news width=153>4/7 D G</TD><TD class=news width=35>



</TD><TD class=news width=35>25



</TD><TD class=news width=29>5



</TD><TD class=news width=99>DD</TD><TD class=news width=50>

LCT III







</TD><TD class=news width=59>King Red



</TD></TR><TR><TD class=news width=40>H



</TD><TD class=news vAlign=top width=100>30361/2412 LCT IV

29964/2412 LCT IV
30361/2412 LCT IV
24114/2412 LCT IV



</TD><TD class=news vAlign=top width=153>81 Sqn 6 Assault Regt RE

C Sqn W DGNS
81 Sqn 6 Assault Regt RE
280 Fd Coy RE



</TD><TD class=news vAlign=top width=35>



25





</TD><TD class=news vAlign=top width=35>12

15

6







</TD><TD class=news vAlign=top width=29>2

3

1








</TD><TD class=news vAlign=top width=99>AVRE

Crabs

AVRE (Fascine)
2 Handcarts
2 Folding Boats




</TD><TD class=news width=50>

LCT IV







</TD><TD class=news width=59>King Green



</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>



Is your landing list Available online?
Do you have the landing list for Gold Beach?
Does your Naval plan include which units where on which Ship/Craft?
Is the Order of Battle Accurate?

As i said in OP, I have not been able to find the original documents, so if you can point out any mistakes or discrepencies and give your sources it would be highly appreciated. Hope I haven`t give you to much work!
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Posted 24 September 2007 - 02:01 PM

Thanks for that Ches. But it goes nowhere near telling the complete story. My company, as so often happens with the RE, is never mentioned. I think that if for no other reason of the fallen it should be. For the official lists give a false impression of who and where.
Cheers mate sapper I will look for the lists I have somewhere in my house???
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Posted 24 September 2007 - 02:56 PM

Thanks Sapper,
Any info You can give will be appreciated. Was the RE Divisional Troops, do you think thats why they dont get the credit they deserve? As a child i used to ask my grandfather,what he did during the war, but he never like to talk about it unfortunately he passed away when i was 19 so i never got to talk to him "man to man" so thank you for taking time to answer my questions.
I Agree with you that all the men/women that took part in the war should be remembered, personally i think the should be a national monument with the names of everyone who took part.
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Posted 24 September 2007 - 06:30 PM

I found the landing sequence. The Neptune plan of the ships in Southampton water. Parts 1 and 2 and various other war time enemy leaflets from 1944, I have a copy of the actual battle maps, very tatty! of Day one and Day two of the invasion on Sword. I have the order of battle on that day. various leaflets from the CIC and others. No way I can load them on to this site.
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Posted 25 September 2007 - 07:10 PM

D-Day Orders of Battle and Landing Lists.
Sorry if this has already been posted, Ive done a search and could not find it.

I have tried to track back to the original documents using the source given, but i can`t get them up. Hopefully someone with better research skills than mine could try and PLEASE let us know( see Link at bottom of page).

Warning there is a lots of detailed info on this site, be prepared to spend a long time here. Site is in French or English.

<!-- #EndEditable -->


Great site Ches, I look forward to reading it with interest
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Posted 27 September 2007 - 09:45 AM

Hello

I am the webmaster of the website linked in the first message of this topic.

2nd Ches:
The link to the archives new zealand is only for the Gold beach landing tables.
The documents are not online on their website, they asked me to put a link to their website when I asked the authorization to use the documents on mine.

Sapper:
Dear Brian. I would be more than happy to use your material and put the FULL landing sequence for sword beach (like for gold beach). If you can send me a copy of it I will be able to work in order to display it on the site.
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Posted 27 September 2007 - 11:31 AM

Love to send it you. But do not have the equipment to copy and E mail.
Looking at my plan it goes something like this...All printed verbatim!

First wave

DD Tks launched from LCTs 6 miles out.

LCS (M)s carrying FOOs sp arty

LCTs carrying ASLT engrs to clear beach obs, mine, strongpoints Etc (incl LCAs(HR))

aslt coys (coys in LCAs launched approx 6 miles out)

LCT Btn HQs

res coys

LCT ® LCT (F)

Res Bn

naval beach cdo for cdn of beach after assault

LCTs carrying sp, anti tank, crocodiles, and bn carriers.

LCTs bn anti tank and beach roadway equipment

LCTS res (non DD)

SP arty engaged on run in shoot

anti tk reg (non SP)

Shows the swept channel. And the Naval ships with their bombarding targets.
make what you can of that.
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Posted 27 September 2007 - 01:35 PM

I found the landing sequence. The Neptune plan of the ships in Southampton water. Parts 1 and 2 and various other war time enemy leaflets from 1944, I have a copy of the actual battle maps, very tatty! of Day one and Day two of the invasion on Sword. I have the order of battle on that day. various leaflets from the CIC and others. No way I can load them on to this site.
Cheers sapper


Hi Sapper found this on Neptune, not had the time to read it. HyperWar: Administrative History of U.S. Naval Forces in Europe, 1940-1946


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Posted 15 November 2007 - 04:57 PM

CORRECTION.

I posted in this thread, that my Grandfather landed on Gold beach with the 2nd battalion Cheshire Regiment as part of the 50th Division. Having Obtained his service records, He was serving with the 4th Battalion Cheshire Regiment in the UK on D-Day.

I apologise for posting misleading infomation and would like to point out, that my Grandfather "never" told me that he landed on D-Day, I made the assumption as he had served in the 2nd Battalion.

Sorry,
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Posted 15 September 2010 - 07:21 PM

This necro-thread seems like the best place for this, as I've been unable to find any others that seem to help. I am looking for Neptune documents that would link a named vessel to a serial as it appeared on the landing tables. This would make it possible to link units to the vessels that landed them on D-Day. Using the link to the Gold landing tables that appear in the OP as an example, has anyone uncovered a document that would link the ship serial G66 (an LSI) to the actual vessel that landed 6 Green Howards?

My specific interest is in Juno, and investigation by myself and others in Canada has yielded no results. I have discussed this with staff at the Archives in Ottawa doing similar research, and to their knowledge, no such documentation exists there. Most speculate that it must exist somewhere in the UK archives and though I have heard anecdotally that such information is available for Gold and Sword, I've never seen anything that confirms this. If anyone has ideas or suggestions, I'd be interested. Even leads to possible locations in the UK archives (road trip!) would be helpful to advance this project.
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Posted 15 September 2010 - 08:00 PM

Kevin,
National Archive, Kew, holds the RN 'Green List' (ADM210 I think), a week by week summary of the condition and location of 'minor vessels' such as Landing Craft. It should detail everything you are looking for and covers the lead-up to and Neptune in detail. From experience though the nice neat flotillas get a bit disjointed after D-Day, many lost, some damaged and later assigned to other flotillas. Knowing a flotilla number would be a great help.
As I note you are a good few miles from Kew I will offer to have a look for you next time I am there, but I don't know when that might be.

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Posted 15 September 2010 - 08:13 PM

A look to see if this sort of detail is available would be greatly appreciated when you have a chance. If I do manage to get over there one day, I'd hope to have a specific cite to go after rather than starting from scratch and in all likelihood running out of time.

For the time being, I'd be very happy with just the larger vessels (LSIs, LSTs etc.), though if we could eventually get down to finer detail (LCAs?) that would be great. I have seen details on group/flotilla etc organization (Battlezone Normandy I think) that I could post if it would be helpful. Fortunately, I require only a snapshot as of 5/6 June, so tracking losses, reorgs etc is not necessary for this project.
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Posted 16 September 2010 - 01:39 AM

Kevin,
Examples of my last 'Green List' research at TNA. As you can see, a flotilla number would be rquired to save lot of time:blink:.
Let me know if I can be of more help.

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Posted 16 September 2010 - 08:36 AM

It is a shame that so much is missed out. My company 246 RE landed with the task of removing anything, or anyone, that stood in the way on Sword Beach. With the express task of opening up paths off of the beach, to the road beyond.
That they did not get a mention of that anywhere. None. Except in the Royal Engineers short history, where the companies deeds are recorded for posterity.

It is odd but seldom do the exploits of the sappers get mentioned, and then only in passing ...Much of that is their own fault, as they write up all the engineering obstacles, and nothing at all about the courage and sacrifices of the men involved.

Even odder, when you learn that the RE won more galantry medals than any other involved in Third Div, and it has to be said with far less men in their company.

But that entry in the history, will ensure the brave men will be long remembered when we have departed this mortal coil
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Posted 17 September 2010 - 07:08 PM

Sapper,

I am at present going back to original sources to reasearch the role of the Royal Engineers on D Day. Not only is the information thin but often inaccurate. I have the CAB document published immediately post war and now available in facsimile from MLRS. I see that 246 Company landed from LSI Glenearn. It was to intially operate, with four angledozer teams, under the command of 8 Brigade. It was to assist the leading infantry waves with demolition and mine clearing and then open a forward route for wheels to the brigade first objective. On completion of these tasks it was to come under 17 Field Company to open a route to the Orne. You will know all this, but if you can add any detail I would very much like to hear from you.

There is a lot about engineers in 21 Army Group on the Trux website, now hosted on this site. I will eventually, but not in the near future, publish all details of British units involved on D Day. (Sorry Canadian units are outside my scope).


Klambie,

G66 was one of the Empire weapon class LSI(L). I have identified some of the individual ships but not all. It must be Empire Halberd, Empire Lance, Empire Mace or Empire Rapier (all identical). I too am looking for the landing tables for Sword and Juno. I have the time and money but need a lead as to where to look. I have so far concentrated on War Establishment tables. I have the landing tables from the New Zealand archive. These are laid out differently to those on the French website, being by unit rather than by ship.

Edited by Trux, 18 September 2010 - 09:56 AM.

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 10:12 PM

...G66 was one of the Empire weapon class LSI(L). I have identified some of the individual ships but not all. It must be Empire Halberd, Empire Lance, Empire Mace or Empire Rapier (all identical). I too am looking for the landing tables for Sword and Juno. I have the time and money but need a lead as to where to look. I have so far concentrated on War Establishment tables. I have the landing tables from the New Zealand archive. These are laid out differently to those on the French website, being by unit rather than by ship.


Hello Mike,

I have been in discussion with the son of a 6th Bn Green Howard that landed at King Sector, Gold Beach, on D-Day, and was transported over on Empire Lance.

Empire Lance had to be either LSI(L) G65 or G66. The son believes he was in the second tranche of troops to land at H+20 (given the scenes that greeted him).

Did you get any further with your research on this matter?

Do you have an up to date link to the NZ site/landing tables?

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Steve.

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 10:19 AM

Steve Mac,

I have indeed spent the last 2 years collecting and studying material relating to the Normandy beaches. I have the landing tables for all three British beaches, including two different ones for Gold. I have first concentrated on Sword, for which I have thousands of pages of documents, then moved to Juno which worked closely with Sword, both being I Corps beaches, and have only just returned to study Gold.

I will look through my material and see if I have the answer to your question re G65 and G66. I have not looked at this recently so it may take some time.

I am of course happy to share any information, documents, tables etc.

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 11:17 AM

Excellent Site - I will DEFINATELY use this when I visit in a few months.
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Posted 08 January 2013 - 02:14 PM

Steve Mac,

I have no positive information but:

I think that you are correct in thinking that Empire Lance must be G65 or G66. I have a reference ( I have not tracked down the source yet ) that G66 was Empire Rapier. If so Empire Lance must be G65.

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 09:54 PM

Steve Mac,

I have no positive information but:

I think that you are correct in thinking that Empire Lance must be G65 or G66. I have a reference ( I have not tracked down the source yet ) that G66 was Empire Rapier. If so Empire Lance must be G65.

Mike


Many thanks, Mike. I look forward to confirmation in due course...

I have pictures purporting to be Empire Lance, but nothing with an identifying number that is visible!

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 10:15 PM

The three Sapper teams that landed on Sword. Both on Queen red and Queen white had specific tasks. This entailed specially trained small squads..... They opened up the first exit from the beach onto the road beyond. Yet not a word of what they did is mentioned anywhere, except in the documents in possession that is an official typewritten history of what took place Why is all this not made available to the public?WHY?

Why Is it that all the deeds that we took part in are never mentioned...Should be! the company never came out of action ....Only when he ran faster than we could catch hm.

I do get rather annoyed that what we did is never recognised...It dose not sit well for the memory of those that fell if their names, or deeds, are never mentioned... They deserved better. I have in my keeping the names of those teams.....

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 10:46 PM

The three Sapper teams that landed on Sword. Both on Queen red and Queen white had specific tasks. This entailed specially trained small squads..... They opened up the first exit from the beach onto the road beyond. Yet not a word of what they did is mentioned anywhere, except in the documents in possession that is an official typewritten history of what took place Why is all this not made available to the public?WHY?

Why Is it that all the deeds that we took part in are never mentioned...Should be! the company never came out of action ....Only when he ran faster than we could catch hm.

I do get rather annoyed that what we did is never recognised...It dose not sit well for the memory of those that fell if their names, or deeds, are never mentioned... They deserved better. I have in my keeping the names of those teams.....


A Happy New Year to you, Brian.

I have read quite a lot about the Sappers and Special Armour on Gold Beach recently - as you say their sacrifices and achievements should be recognised.

WW2talk does have a Royal Engineers Forum. How do you suggest it is developed?

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