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#1 temptage

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 07:20 PM

Can someone please point me in the right direction regarding civilian war graves.
There are lots in my two local cemeteries with CWGC-shaped stones, but who originally supplied the headstones? Would it be the CWGC or the local Council? More importantly, who would be responsible for them now as a large majority of the stones have deteriorated so much that they are all but unreadable, and a few have now fallen over.
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#2 Owen

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 07:24 PM

Are they listed on the CWGC website ?
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#3 CL1

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 08:13 PM

Hello Temptage
Could you post a photo of a civilian grave if you have one .
the below is a reply from the CWGC re a query from myself


The Commission maintains many Non-World War graves on behalf of the MOD as part of maintenance contract, as this is the case and as they are not part of our main remit; such graves do not appear on our website which is restricted to only those graves which are listed in our main records as War Graves

All the casualties you have requested information for are listed in our records as Non-World War Graves. Our duties are confined to commemorating the dead of the two world wars. We do not record any further information relating to such graves. If you would wish to obtain further information you can contact the MOD directly. Their address is:

Queries concerning deaths resulting from current conflicts & NWWG, should be referred to the address below: QUERIES IN WRITING ONLY (Letters or E mails)– NO PHONE CALLS ACCEPTED FROM THE PUBLIC unless absolutely necessary:

Graves Casework
JCCC (Joint Casualty & Compassionate Centre)
Room G35
Innsworth House
Imjin Barracks
Innsworth
Gloucester GL3 1HW

E mail: jccc@spva.mod.uk


I would suggest you email CWGC
CWGC - Contact Us


The CWGC remembers civilians re link below.

Please find attached a headstone for a civilian casualty he is buried in the CWGC plot at Mill Hill,N.W.London but is listed on CWGC as per below.
TEAGUE, ARTHUR JOHN

Rank:
Civilian
Date of Death:
10/05/1941
Age:
33
Regiment/Service:
Civilian War Dead

Reporting Authority
PADDINGTON, METROPOLITAN BOROUGH
Additional Information:
Fireman, A.F.S.; of 81B Elgin Avenue. Son of the late Lambert and Mabel Teague, of Aberdare, Glamorgan. Died at Clifton Gardens.
St. George's Chapel in Westminster Abbey


Country:
England
Locality:
London
Of the many civilians of the Commonwealth whose deaths were due to enemy action in the 1939-1945 War, the names of some 67,092 are commemorated in the Civilian War Dead Roll of Honour, located near St. George's Chapel in Westminster Abbey, London.
CWGC - Casualty Details

please find attached CWGC shaped headstones.

The CWGC do not list cemeteries where civilians are buried they only list the reporting Borough

also see link below
http://www.ww2talk.c...e-shapes-2.html

regards
Clive

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#4 TomTAS

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 09:01 PM

HI Temptage,

Try this link CWGC Civilian War Dead CWGC Cemeteries - Civilian War Dead

Cheers
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#5 temptage

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 11:10 PM

This is a photo of one of the better conditioned ones.
Wills, WH | Flickr - Photo Sharing!

Then there are a couple of photos where the condition is severe.
John William Bradford | Flickr - Photo Sharing!

John Hamilton | Flickr - Photo Sharing!

They are all named on the CWGC database.
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#6 Mr Jinks

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 11:19 PM

Hi,
There are similar stones in South Tyneside commemorating those who died as a result of enemy action the plots are not that well cared for in relation to the nearby CWGC section even though the civilian section is much larger.I`m not sure they are CWGC stones to be honest I may be wrong but I believe the ones in South Tyneside were erected by the local borough council of the time:unsure:

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Kyle
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Forgot to add it was Preston Cemetery in Shields

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#7 CL1

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 11:32 PM

Hello Temptage

I would suggest they are private memorials.
As stated before civilians are commemorated on the register not a physical headstone.
it may well be worth you dropping a line to CWGC to get their take on it.

as an example if you look at 14/6/43
54 civilians died that day and are registered by
Reporting Authority
GRIMSBY, COUNTY BOROUGH
CWGC - Find War Dead

regards
Clive

Edited by CL1, 06 January 2013 - 11:39 PM.

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