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#1 white1

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 08:42 AM

David Cameron is set to reveal plans to commemorate the centenary of the start of World War I.
The PM will use a talk in London to underline why young people should be more aware of the sacrifices made by past generations.
It comes as a survey for a think tank suggests 69% of people want Remembrance Day 2014 to be a special national day.
British Future is calling for shops to close and flags to fly at half-mast out of respect for the fallen soldiers.
It also wants sporting fixtures such as Premier League football matches to be postponed and a longer period of silence to be observed.
Contemporary significance
BBC political correspondent Iain Watson says that while Mr Cameron wants to use his speech to talk to young people about commemorating the past, the year 2014 also has a contemporary significance.
It is when the referendum on Scottish independence will be held, so a reminder of what the nations of the UK have achieved together is seen as not unhelpful to the unionist cause, our correspondent says.
The YouGov online poll on behalf of the think tank British Future asked more than 1,700 British adults whether they believed Remembrance Sunday 2014 should be commemorated differently.
More than 80% of respondents thought bells should be rung across the UK and flags should fly at half-mast, and just over half thought major sports events should be moved to another day.
But the survey showed people were divided over whether shops should be closed - with 45% for and 45% against the proposal.

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 11:36 AM

Millions of pounds to be pledged to mark centenary of First World War, David Cameron to announce - Telegraph
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Posted 11 October 2012 - 01:00 PM

There are calls for shops to be closed and major sporting fixtures to be postponed on the hundred-year anniversary of the First World War.
In a letter to The Times, several public figures also say that flags should be flown at half-mast from every town hall in the country on Remembrance Day 2014, as well as extending the traditional silence at the Cenotaph.

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 02:51 PM

Seems remiss not to have a thread for the 2014 commemorations, now it's been declared as an official national project.

BBC News - WWI centenary remembrance plans given £50m by government

CWGC just put this appeal on their Friendface feed - might be of interest to some:

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Does anybody know of anyone who intends to attend commemorations during the centenary period because of family connections? Please reply via our inbox, thank you

Wonder if the story of a running FT17 being built from scratch for 2014 is moving on. There were some references earlier this year to a well-respected restorer taking some measurements. Definitely a handful being mocked up internationally, but I hear tell off-line of a 'correct' replica in the UK.
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Posted 11 October 2012 - 03:29 PM

They have an FT17 at the Old Reinebeck Airdrome, in Reinebeck NY

They've been putting on the same great show every weekend since the fifties

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 03:48 PM

My thoughts here:

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 04:00 PM

My thoughts here:

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Very nice site. Great job.

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 04:04 PM

My thoughts here:

Great War Centenary Plans Announced « Great War Photos


Great article!

I am so pleased that there will be such commemorations. My Dad is a lot older than me (I'm in my 20s, he's in his 70s). He always had instilled in him, I believe by his Grandfather, a total respect for those who fought in the Great War and he instilled that in me and my sister.

I am desperate to get out to where I believe my Great, Great Uncle is buried (I have a news article from the time stating where he died, alongside his brother, and where he is buried, but he now has no known grave). I haven't been out to the battlefields since I was 14 on a school trip, and my husband (serving soldier) has never been, I would really like to take him.

I may only have been 14 when I visited, but it really did have a profound effect on me. We went to Tyne Cot and it literally stopped me in my tracks.

I hope my daughters, although only young, will grow up with the respect that so many have for all those who fought (including their Dad, although he has been in such different wars!). If they don't, then I will have done something very wrong!
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Posted 11 October 2012 - 08:48 PM

Chaps at work taking piss out of me when they heard this story on the news.
Asking me if I'd bought my kids shovels ready to dig trenches in the garden & have I bought my daughter a ' German spikey hat' to wear as I made her stand in for Rommel in a 'then & now' photo once.
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Posted 11 October 2012 - 08:59 PM

Thank you for that link Paul.
I have recognised my Uncle in a photo we have not seen before, of the 5th King's Liverpool at camp.
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Posted 11 October 2012 - 09:17 PM

Chaps at work taking piss out of me when they heard this story on the news.
Asking me if I'd bought my kids shovels ready to dig trenches in the garden & have I bought my daughter a ' German spikey hat' to wear as I made her stand in for Rommel in a 'then & now' photo once.

Have you though?
(And have you seen the price of even dodgy Pickelhaubes? Find a plastic one I say.)

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 10:15 PM

Have you though?


Battlefields and war-stuff off the itinerary for awhile now.
I think they've suffered enough over the years, I mean been shown various historic locations.
If I suggest anymore we'll see a rerun of the Mutiny at Etaples.
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Posted 12 October 2012 - 07:28 PM

My thoughts here:

Great War Centenary Plans Announced « Great War Photos


Been following the Great War photos site for some time. Well worth a look, great photos with researched comments.
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Posted 12 October 2012 - 07:34 PM

Thanks Geoff, your comments appreciated.
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Posted 12 October 2012 - 07:53 PM

I don't mean to belittle the sacrifice and relevance of the event - I just have too much respect for all of those that served in WWI/WWII, including family members that made the ultimate sacrifice, those that were wounded (one very bad) and those that 'served' unscathed physically.

However, in these times when the three services are being cut back drastically (and wronly in my opinion) I think the money could be better spent... no need to spell it out. What's best, £50 million on a 'National Reflection', or £50 million on making sure our troops of today are best equipped for their role?

I'll be at my local memorial on the reflection date - that's enough for me and my now deceased relatives!

The whole event smacks of self serving politics.

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 08:50 PM

£35 million of it is for the IWM, to me that is money worth spent and a good legacy.

Much of the rest is for education relating to the Great War; paying for school kids to visit the battlefields and funding for local projects, renovation of war memorials etc.

I've never voted for this government and never will, but for once this seems a good spend.
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Posted 12 October 2012 - 09:30 PM

Or £35m might just cover its rebranding as the Post-Imperial Guilt Resource Centre or somesuch. Interesting to see what happens.
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Posted 12 October 2012 - 09:38 PM

Yes, I hope they don't change the name.

I went for a job at the IWM after I left Uni. One of the questions they asked me was what I would call it if the name changed, so this debate has been going on for a while.
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Posted 12 October 2012 - 09:53 PM

50 Million wouldn't go far in the MOD-Thats probably the wage bill of the TA for 12 months.
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Posted 12 October 2012 - 09:55 PM

I'd rather the money was spent on today's forces, so that they are funded appropriately. If it saved one more service man or woman's life or meant they came home without a disability - which affects their whole remaining life - then that is money well spent!

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 04:10 AM

Frankly I don't follow the logic. Why celebrate the start of an event that probably shouldn't have been allowed to happen in the first place? Surely the celebration should be in 2018? I certainly don't believe that my grandfather, who endured the most part of it and suffered from it for the rest of his life, would consider it something to shout about.
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Posted 13 October 2012 - 07:43 AM

What is the aim?

I financed a school trip for my 13 year old grandson advertised as a "Visit to the Somme Battlefields" because he is interested in history (one of the few subjects where he achieves high marks). In the event they mostly visited Passchendaele.

I had tried to get an itinerary but the School did not provide it - and I can understand why because the teachers had less knowledge than the pupils.

I wrote up a summary of the battles (at least on my side of the family and as far as I could discover) that his gg grandfathers and ggg uncles in which they fought and where some of they are buried.

I quizzed him to find out what he had learnt and enjoyed.

Flanders Field Museum was brilliant - fantastic computer system! Bought a spent bullet and the major highlight was stumbling over and finding a fuse on Ulster Hill (which the teacher had confused for Usna Hill!).

Kept visiting The Cemeteries which were mega boring.

Overall as you might have expected in a full blooded 13 year boy, the war bit was brilliant the rest was boring.

I shudder to think what his 12 year old sister would get from a visit to the battlefields.

Lets be honest this is more remote from the new generation as the Crimean War is for me.

My view? Total waste of money.
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Posted 13 October 2012 - 11:18 AM

You only have to look around the War Memorials and Graveyards of the UK and abroad to see that people still remember and the sacrifice will never be in vain.

Look at your local War Memorial and note the number of Village/Town members who never returned.

We should Remember and encourage Rememberance.

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 11:44 AM

Some 68,000 Canadians died during ww1.
I hope the Harper government reaches out to all Canadians to make sure that we remember the sacrifices of so many on lands so far away.
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Posted 22 November 2012 - 10:48 PM

Some 68,000 Canadians died during ww1.
I hope the Harper government reaches out to all Canadians to make sure that we remember the sacrifices of so many on lands so far away.



So do I, haven't seen it yet though.

WWI memorial sites are full of British tour buses, seems someone
is cracking down on the schools, kids are all going.

We have a lot of Canadian history in WWI, lots of things to see.
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Posted 29 November 2012 - 11:01 PM

My Granddaughter went over last weekend, November 23rd-24th, with her school.

Intinerary "out there":

1300 Arrive in France, local time.

Bayernwald- take part in the trench experience with a 'Show and tell' session with a British Tommy.

Guide's presentation on the Christmas Truce in Location and RE-enactment: of the Christmas Truce with the British Front line facing the German front line just as it would have been 90 years ago on this site.

1800 Dinner in Grand Square Ypres.

1930 Briefing at Menin Gate.

2000 Last Post Ceremony.

2015 Depart for Hostel Accommodation: "Youth Hostal Messines".

Day 2

Sat 24th: Ypres Salient with Science warfare.

0830 Depart Hostel.

Hill 60: Technological developments in the Great War: Mining; Artillery; Tanks & war in the Air.

Essex Farm CWGC & Advanced Dressing Station:
The ethos of the Commonwealth War Graves Commission: Boy soldiers; The Treatment of battlefield casualties & medical advance.

Vancouver Corner: The use of poison gas and its effects; development of the gas mask. Chemical Warfare & WMD today.

Langmarck: German cemetery ethos, Slaughter of the innocents; Hitlers 1940 visit; reconciliation.

Tyne Cot: 1917 3rd Ypres (Passchendaele), 1918 & the end of war:poppy:.

1750 Depart France.

My Granddaughter had a great time

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 06:50 AM

Peccavi-I'm sorry that you felt that your grandson's battlefields tour was disappointing. However I think it is unfair to conclude that because of this all battlefields tours for young people are a waste of time. I have been running a school battlefields tour since 1994. I plan the itineraries myself and focus on the part played by former pupils of the school, local regiments and relatives of the boys on the tour. Each tour is different and we visit battlefields of both world wars. I am proud to say that it is the most popular residential trip that the school runs and is always oversubscribed. For 2013 demand has been so great that we have increased the number we are taking to 60. Many boys choose to come on multiple tours, the current record is seven! It is a battlefields tour: of course we visit cemeteries but the aim is to put them in the context of what happened and why they are there. They are visited along with recreated trenches, mine craters, pillboxes and the sites of particular actions etc. Individual stories are crucial. The 'here's another cemetery, isn't it sad, wander round for 10 minutes and get back on the coach' syndrome is to be avoided at all costs. I also don't try to cover everything in one trip-this year I focussed on the battles for Messines and Passchendaele ridges. Preparation, knowledge and enthusiasm are the keys. I'm a war anorak so it's ok for me but we can't expect all teachers to be specialized battlefields guides. If so, then the tour companies can provide guides, many of whom are very good and will try to personalize the tour in something like the way that I describe or provide the interesting itinerary (sounds like Anglia tours) outlined in the post above.
2014 will be our 20th anniversary tour and we have already made a preliminary booking as demand for accommodation in the Ypres area will be so great. The itinerary will include the site of the Royal Warwicks' Christmas Truce at St Yvon at which my great uncle (namesake of my avatar) was present with a recreation based on the accounts by Captains Bruce Bairnsfather and Robert Hamilton.
Apart from anything else, Peccavi, the school needs to do a health and safety briefing on not picking up bits of the 'iron harvest'.
Blutto-surely it's a commemoration not a celebration. There has been absolutely no suggestion that events to mark the centenary will be giving thanks for the outbreak of the war. I think that that sort of thing was confined to 1914 itself!

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 06:53 AM

Furter to Blutto's comments about a 'celebration' there is an article in the current edition of the Western Front Association's magazine 'Stand To!' in which leading academics connected with the WFA (Messrs Simkins, Sheffield and Bourne) express concern about the overly negative tone of the proposed commemoration, with its concentration on defeats and disasters and the failure to acknowledge that the British and allies actually won the war!
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Posted 07 December 2012 - 08:37 AM

Furter to Blutto's comments about a 'celebration' there is an article in the current edition of the Western Front Association's magazine 'Stand To!' in which leading academics connected with the WFA (Messrs Simkins, Sheffield and Bourne) express concern about the overly negative tone of the proposed commemoration, with its concentration on defeats and disasters and the failure to acknowledge that the British and allies actually won the war!



But the majority of actions during WWI were defeats and disasters.
Also, it's fair to say most of the memorials (Thiepval, Menin, Vimy ) are dedicated to the dead and missing, not to mention the cemeteries.

I expect / hope there will be events and commemorations for each
year of the war, hopefully not just 2014.
An idea perhaps is to prepare a rolling event for the 100 days, in several
locations..... for 2018.

People might feel better knowing there is a good ending coming. :)
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Posted 08 December 2012 - 02:31 PM

Martin-I think you're slightly missing the point of my post. In post 21, 'Blutto' decries the proposed 'celebration' of the war as he sees it, at the same time as a group of academics have said that the proposed events are too 'negative' in tone, i.e. not celebratory enough. Difficult to satisfy everyone. If you read the Prime Minister's statement on the Centenary you will see that a range of events (e.g. Gallipoli and the First Day of the Somme) are planned to be marked during the 2014-18 period.
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