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#1 Bazooka Joe

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Posted 26 September 2011 - 12:06 PM

Hi troops,
As you can see from the thread title I'm looking for WWII photos of The Green Howards. I've had a look around the net without much luck (I did find a couple on the IWM site) but I'm sure there must be many more out there. Do any of you have any you could post, or know of anywhere I can get hold of some?

I'm also interested in reading "The Story of The Green Howards 1939-1945" by Captain W.A.T. Synge, but am unwilling to shell out 200 pounds in order to do so! Does anyone know if this can be obtained at a reasonable price anywhere?

Failing that, does anyone have any other recommendations as to worthwhile reading (both internet links and real books) on the Green Howards in WWII (particularly 6th and 7th battalions).

Thanks in advance for any assistance.
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Posted 26 September 2011 - 12:58 PM

One of the forum members has written a book about his father who was in the Green Howards throughout the whole of the war. Its well mentioned on here just do a search on the forum.

It might be worth a look through this link:

green howards - AbeBooks
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Posted 26 September 2011 - 01:14 PM

Bazooka Joe.

Try the Prince Consort's Library in Aldershot. They are brilliantly helpful.

Have you tried their RHQ in Richmond?

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Posted 26 September 2011 - 01:26 PM

There is also Robin Hasting's An Undergraduate's War. He served as an officer and commanded 6th Green Howards on D Day. It was published as late as 1997 but is pretty hard to get hold of, but the library mentioned above will likely have a copy.
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Posted 26 September 2011 - 02:22 PM

Thanks for the recommendations so far guys. I'll take a look at "Fighting Through". Unfortunately I'm in Denmark, so visiting libraries in the UK is a bit of a project. I haven't yet contacted the museum or RHQ, but I think I'll have to do so soon.

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Posted 26 September 2011 - 03:47 PM

Bazooka Joe.

You can get books sent out to you by PCL in Aldershot.

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Posted 26 September 2011 - 04:02 PM

Hey Joe (Sorry, couldn't resist that! ;) )
Fighting Through from Dunkirk to Hamburg is my Dad's story so thanks to whoever recommended it - they have good taste! (Drew?)

I am lucky enough to have inherited a copy of Synge from my Dad and it is truly a definitive book, well-written and illustrated and worth the money - I believe will only ever increase in value. I keep an eye open and have never seen a cheap copy.

On the subject of pics of the Green Howards, it's coincidence that I have just posted another load on my web site, thanks to a 92 year old GH 6th battalion veteran called Wilf Shaw. Wilf was in many of the same actions as my Dad and was even wounded twice yet still returned to the fighting!

He's been sending me allsorts and more to come but I've created some pages on Dad's web site for him in order to share with others. Hot off the press are some he sent me taken at Qassasin camp- awesome. I have not yet had time to post those but here are a random couple attached for those who are interested. More to be posted the next few days so I will re-post in the forum to let people know.

There are many photos from my Dad's collection and others from comrades families who have been in touch, again several superb photos which I still have not had time to post.

To see what is there so far go to:
Dad's WW2 pics
Wilf's WW2 pics
Other war pics in the News section of the web site.

These are nearly all Greeh Howards pics. Joe you did not give much info about your Dad - do you know which part of the regiment he was in?

Other books to recommend - Dunkirk the Great Escape - A J Barker - Excellent; Sign of the Double D - B S Barnes,

You know I have so much material to share which has come to light in connection with the publication of Dad's story. That includes personal diary pages of Major Petch during the Dunkirk episode. If anyone wants to be sure they don't miss out on this stuff they can register at my blog at Fighting Through - World War 2 Army Diary or follow my very occasional updates on Twitter (paul cheall)

Bye for now

Paul




Hi troops,
As you can see from the thread title I'm looking for WWII photos of The Green Howards. I've had a look around the net without much luck (I did find a couple on the IWM site) but I'm sure there must be many more out there. Do any of you have any you could post, or know of anywhere I can get hold of some?

I'm also interested in reading "The Story of The Green Howards 1939-1945" by Captain W.A.T. Synge, but am unwilling to shell out 200 pounds in order to do so! Does anyone know if this can be obtained at a reasonable price anywhere?

Failing that, does anyone have any other recommendations as to worthwhile reading (both internet links and real books) on the Green Howards in WWII (particularly 6th and 7th battalions).

Thanks in advance for any assistance.
Regards
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Researching my dad's war diary, now published by Pen and Sword. Called Fighting Through - From Dunkirk to Hamburg. Dad was at Dunkirk and in the first wave of troops landing on Gold beach on D-Day. He was also in North Africa, Sicily, and Hamburg. He was a batman, cook, No 1 Bren, No 1 mortar, wounded in action. Regiments were Green Howards, East Yorks and East Lancs. For more info, pics and ephemera please visit Fighting Through where you can read the first chapter, located on the beaches at Dunkirk. Also, over 200 names of comrades and contacts are listed which may be of interest to geneology enthusiasts.


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Posted 26 September 2011 - 04:47 PM

Thanks for the help Paul, I've bookmarked your website! There's some interesting photos on your site. I hope you don't mind me saying it, but one of them seems to be mislabelled?

https://lh3.googleus...epia ropped.jpg

Judging from the GS caps, austerity battledress, and medals (Africa Star or Italy Stars) the photo looks to be from 1943 or later.

As to books, I actually ordered "The Sign of the Double T" yesterday, so hopefully it'll arrive soon. I will of course be buying your Dad's book too.

As far as I know none of my relations fought with the Green Howards during WWII (my great grandfather fought with the 10th Btn in WWI though!) , my interest is purely because I'm a bit of a military history buff.

I'll keep my eyes open and my fingers crossed for a cheap copy of Captain Synge's book.

Cheers
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Posted 26 September 2011 - 05:11 PM

Hi Joe - thanks for that - enjoy the Double D book.
I've checked out the photo and am puzzlede because Dad categorically labelled it as a pre war camp of territorials. I can't actually see any medals - where are you looking?
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Thanks for the help Paul, I've bookmarked your website! There's some interesting photos on your site. I hope you don't mind me saying it, but one of them seems to be mislabelled?

https://lh3.googleus...epia ropped.jpg

Judging from the GS caps, austerity battledress, and medals (Africa Star or Italy Stars) the photo looks to be from 1943 or later.

As to books, I actually ordered "The Sign of the Double T" yesterday, so hopefully it'll arrive soon. I will of course be buying your Dad's book too.

As far as I know none of my relations fought with the Green Howards during WWII (my great grandfather fought with the 10th Btn in WWI though!) , my interest is purely because I'm a bit of a military history buff.

I'll keep my eyes open and my fingers crossed for a cheap copy of Captain Synge's book.

Cheers
Joe


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Researching my dad's war diary, now published by Pen and Sword. Called Fighting Through - From Dunkirk to Hamburg. Dad was at Dunkirk and in the first wave of troops landing on Gold beach on D-Day. He was also in North Africa, Sicily, and Hamburg. He was a batman, cook, No 1 Bren, No 1 mortar, wounded in action. Regiments were Green Howards, East Yorks and East Lancs. For more info, pics and ephemera please visit Fighting Through where you can read the first chapter, located on the beaches at Dunkirk. Also, over 200 names of comrades and contacts are listed which may be of interest to geneology enthusiasts.


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Posted 26 September 2011 - 05:36 PM

Hi agin Paul,
The photos is definitely from 1943 or later. The GS cap was introduced in 1943, and the battledress uniforms with visible buttons and no pocket pleats were first seen from 1942.

As to the medals, I could be wrong, but if you look at the first row nos. 5, 6, and 8 appear to be wearing medal ribbons above their left breast pockets.

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Posted 27 September 2011 - 10:03 AM

Hi again JO
I can assure you that the photo was taken in 1939. My dad wrote on the back of it and explained that the reason he was not on it was that he had to get back to his shop. He was self employed. The pic is territorial army camp before the war.

The dress etc might be explained by the fact that a lot of the issued gear was first world war issue. Even dad's Green Howards cap badge came from ww1 stock I have recently found out.

Dad also said that when they went to n Africa the clothing and tents were ww1 issue. So that has to explain the pic

I know dad went to a second camp at bridlington when he was recovering from his wounds, to prove he was fit to fight again. That would have been early 1945, but if the pic was taken then dad would have been on it.

Thanks for raising this issue Joe. I hope my answer satisfies you

Paul





Hi agin Paul,
The photos is definitely from 1943 or later. The GS cap was introduced in 1943, and the battledress uniforms with visible buttons and no pocket pleats were first seen from 1942.

As to the medals, I could be wrong, but if you look at the first row nos. 5, 6, and 8 appear to be wearing medal ribbons above their left breast pockets.

Regards
Joe


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Researching my dad's war diary, now published by Pen and Sword. Called Fighting Through - From Dunkirk to Hamburg. Dad was at Dunkirk and in the first wave of troops landing on Gold beach on D-Day. He was also in North Africa, Sicily, and Hamburg. He was a batman, cook, No 1 Bren, No 1 mortar, wounded in action. Regiments were Green Howards, East Yorks and East Lancs. For more info, pics and ephemera please visit Fighting Through where you can read the first chapter, located on the beaches at Dunkirk. Also, over 200 names of comrades and contacts are listed which may be of interest to geneology enthusiasts.


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Posted 27 September 2011 - 01:06 PM

Hi again JO
I can assure you that the photo was taken in 1939. My dad wrote on the back of it and explained that the reason he was not on it was that he had to get back to his shop. He was self employed. The pic is territorial army camp before the war.

The dress etc might be explained by the fact that a lot of the issued gear was first world war issue. Even dad's Green Howards cap badge came from ww1 stock I have recently found out.

Dad also said that when they went to n Africa the clothing and tents were ww1 issue. So that has to explain the pic

I know dad went to a second camp at bridlington when he was recovering from his wounds, to prove he was fit to fight again. That would have been early 1945, but if the pic was taken then dad would have been on it.

Thanks for raising this issue Joe. I hope my answer satisfies you

Paul



Hi again Paul,
Thanks for the reply. Sorry to harp on, but is it all possible that your father accidentally wrote on the back of the wrong photo? When you mention 1945, that actually sounds more likely, that would also fit with the number of soldiers with open collars on their battledress (shirts with attached collars for other ranks were first introduced in about November 1944).

It's difficult to see from the photo, but the cap badges look like they may be East Lancs rather than Green Howards too, which would also fit with that theory. One more thing which you may want to look at, and I'm going out on a limb here, but isn't your dad the second man from the left in the second row?

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Posted 27 September 2011 - 05:14 PM

That's OK Joe - glad you're interested. I have no doubt whatsoever about the veracity of Dad's explanation for this photo. I saw him complete his diaries years ago in a very compos mentis state and have the original exercise book he wrote it all down in, pasting the pics in the appropriate sections. He only had one photo like this so its highly unlikely he got confused.

No, that's not him on the second row. Let me have your email address and I'll send you an 18MB copy of the pic to help you. They do look a bit like East Lancs badges and for anyone else reading this there is a pic of Dad;s East Lancs badge at Fighting Through - From Dunkirk to Hamburg - War Diary and autobiography of Bill Cheall - WW2, Dunkirk, D-Day diary. World War 1939-45. I'd have to say they weren't GH badges as far as I can tell - but again they could have been Blue Peter badges at this state of preparation - the lads used wooden rifles for training sometimes.

If this really had been 1945 then the lads in the photo would have had loads of medals pinned to their chests, whereas only the presumably senior front row guys had a few ribbons? I just double checked Dad's annotation and he was very specific - B Company 6GH. In case anyone else is following this debate the pic in question is at war photo!

I don't think I can add any more Joe other than to respond to your comment about the dress style, this pic looks pretty similar to what the lads are wearing and is said to be from 1940.

Thanks once again Joe - back to you! ;)


Hi again Paul,
Thanks for the reply. Sorry to harp on, but is it all possible that your father accidentally wrote on the back of the wrong photo? When you mention 1945, that actually sounds more likely, that would also fit with the number of soldiers with open collars on their battledress (shirts with attached collars for other ranks were first introduced in about November 1944).

It's difficult to see from the photo, but the cap badges look like they may be East Lancs rather than Green Howards too, which would also fit with that theory. One more thing which you may want to look at, and I'm going out on a limb here, but isn't your dad the second man from the left in the second row?



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Researching my dad's war diary, now published by Pen and Sword. Called Fighting Through - From Dunkirk to Hamburg. Dad was at Dunkirk and in the first wave of troops landing on Gold beach on D-Day. He was also in North Africa, Sicily, and Hamburg. He was a batman, cook, No 1 Bren, No 1 mortar, wounded in action. Regiments were Green Howards, East Yorks and East Lancs. For more info, pics and ephemera please visit Fighting Through where you can read the first chapter, located on the beaches at Dunkirk. Also, over 200 names of comrades and contacts are listed which may be of interest to geneology enthusiasts.


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Posted 27 September 2011 - 05:23 PM

Joe - one more thing on battle dress - look at pics 4 and 5 at this war photos page. The dress is same as on the TA photo yet both these pics were take 1939/40 which adds support to the dating of the picture.
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Researching my dad's war diary, now published by Pen and Sword. Called Fighting Through - From Dunkirk to Hamburg. Dad was at Dunkirk and in the first wave of troops landing on Gold beach on D-Day. He was also in North Africa, Sicily, and Hamburg. He was a batman, cook, No 1 Bren, No 1 mortar, wounded in action. Regiments were Green Howards, East Yorks and East Lancs. For more info, pics and ephemera please visit Fighting Through where you can read the first chapter, located on the beaches at Dunkirk. Also, over 200 names of comrades and contacts are listed which may be of interest to geneology enthusiasts.


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Posted 28 September 2011 - 11:50 AM

The dress is same as on the TA photo yet both these pics were take 1939/40

The dress is not the same, it is similar but not the same.
On both photo 4 and 5 you can see that the buttons on the pockets are concealed/covered by the material of the pocket flap?
This is indicative of the early patterns of the BD uniform. Joe has already mentioned this I think. You can see the pleat in the pocket and the hidden buttons down the front of the tunic in the second[#5] photo.
Now compare these details with those in the group shot.
Almost all the tunics have exposed buttons down the front and on the pockets, the pockets are also not showing the pleat.
This is indicative of the later 'austerity' pattern BD that was not yet developed in 1939.
The other red flag for an early war date is the head wear. They all sport the GS cap. Not seen in any numbers until 1943.
The dark colour of all the webbing visible also shouts late war. The shade KG3, a dark green, was adopted to replace the lighter colours of the early war years. It offered a better camouflage effect.
It is impossible for this photo to have been taken in 1939/40.
The clothes they wear just did not exist then.
I also agree that the cap badge looks to be the wrong shape for the Green Howards too.
By the period of the war shown in this photo they would have had their correct cap badge, I have not heard of any unit using another badge due to shortage of stock at any period of the war.
I'm sorry but my opinion is that this is not the GH and not taken in 1939.
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Posted 28 September 2011 - 02:29 PM

Hi Strig
Well I so wish Dad was alive today to help me here! If what you say is true then I would judge it to have been taken early 1945 at Bridlington when Dad had just recovered from his wounds. I'm showing below a rough extract from the book which describes this episode.

Discuss! ;

Feb 1945

... So I found myself speeding on a train to Bridlington. When I arrived at my new
posting, I discovered that it was a holding unit, mainly to make sure we were fit
enough for further active service whenever the need arose. I was a shadow of my
former self, but at least my mental attitude to events had been retained and I would
put every effort into regaining some semblance of my fitness prior to the invasion.
Our billets consisted of requisitioned private hotels on the outskirts of the town,
a couple of hundred yards from the sea front. We each had a single metal bed,
three to a room. The first thing on the agenda was a medical parade to assess our

state of health which proved to be quite an experience, since we were all single
young lads. We fell in on the road outside and entered the building in single file,
then stripped naked, each man carrying his own clothes. We had done this many
times over the years and thought nothing of it, until the Medical Officer appeared
– a female doctor, about twenty-five years of age. Nurses had seen me naked many
times when I was wounded and at Dundee, but for most of the lads it was a new
experience, and judging by the comments afterwards, they enjoyed being fondled
by a female doctor!
We started to undergo training within a week, the same almost basic training I
had done years previously and we all became friendly. Many of the lads had not seen
active service as this was a holding battalion and would supply soldiers to active
service units when they needed replacements for casualties. Before I was wounded,
I was at the peak of fitness with mental attitude to match. I now needed, more than
anything, the stimulus of more energetic activity and there was a lack of sufficient
intelligent activity to occupy our young minds. The worst possible thing for a soldier
is to be undergoing the same routine, day after day, requiring no thought or physical
effort. That was the routine at Bridlington, and the lads were browned off. I decided
that at the first opportunity I would volunteer to return to Europe, from where I had
been ejected so suddenly by a piece of shrapnel which would change what remained
of my life in the army.
Although most of these lads had been wounded in the Normandy fighting, many
of them had not experienced the trying conditions during long route marches and
winter exercises, as at Inverary, to toughen them up, and none of that was forthcoming.
It would be unwise to send them back to Europe in the physical condition they were
in, and everybody did expect to go back into action at some point.
The best thing about Bridlington was that we had a proper NAAFI, which was
situated in what had been the pier restaurant, and where we could go during time
off for a penny cup of tea and to talk to a girl across the counter. They were good
girls, who tolerated none of the crude behaviour of some of the lads, whose talk and
behaviour could at times be questionable. But when it came down to the nitty-gritty,
they were good lads. They all still belonged to their original regiments. I was the
only Green Howard and still had my GH insignia. We were certainly a mixed bag.
Many of them were interested to know how I came to be one of them, after I had
served at Dunkirk, North Africa and Sicily, then Normandy. As the only action they
had been involved in was Normandy, they pressed me to tell them about the other
theatres of war. I often wondered how I had been lucky enough to survive. I was
wishing I was with my old battalion, where we were all on the same level. For the
first time I came into contact with lads from London, but not Cockneys. I palled up
with one of them, called Tommy Chaffe, who was younger than me. I used to laugh
at his accent and his manner; it was so different to the northerners I had always
served with. He had never been in action and was just waiting to be posted.

I was just about fed-up with the mind-boggling routine, when a list was put on
the notice board giving names of lads to be on a draft; everyone knew it had to be
Europe and nobody cared. As far as I was concerned there was only one problem.
I was not on the list, but my new pals were, and I was fed up, so I thought hard
about it then asked for an interview with the company commander and explained
my dilemma. He understood how I felt. When I asked to be included in the draft,
my request was granted. I remember the anticipation of hoping that I would once
again be joining the old 6th Green Howards. It was not until after the war that I
learned that at the time I volunteered, the 6ths had been taken out of the line after
advancing as far as Nijmegen in Holland. They were battle-weary and had returned
to England, and were stationed at Malton in Yorkshire in December 1944. Had
I been aware of it, my decision to volunteer would certainly have been in doubt.
However, in the end, things did turn out well for me.
After seven days’ leave, I reported back to Bridlington, after which time we were
soon on our way to Germany. It was February 1945. Although I didn’t know it then,
that move was responsible for my meeting the girl I married.....
.....
I then suffered a bitter disappointment. I was not to rejoin my old battalion, but
had been unknowingly transferred to the East Lancashire Regiment. Me, a proud
northern lad of the Green Howards, finding myself posted to a Lancashire Regiment!
At the time I was extremely put out; I had been looking forward to seeing all my old
pals of the 6th, supposing they had all survived the battles taking place after I had
been wounded. Even though my cap badge had changed twice to other regiments, I
was always a Green Howard at heart. How would I adapt to a Lancashire regiment?

I would have to wait and see."


The above does offer some support for your views guys though does not explain why Dad was not on the photo - maybe it was given to him by a friend ..


Thanks again for your interest.

Paul


The dress is not the same, it is similar but not the same.
On both photo 4 and 5 you can see that the buttons on the pockets are concealed/covered by the material of the pocket flap?
This is indicative of the early patterns of the BD uniform. Joe has already mentioned this I think. You can see the pleat in the pocket and the hidden buttons down the front of the tunic in the second[#5] photo.
Now compare these details with those in the group shot.
Almost all the tunics have exposed buttons down the front and on the pockets, the pockets are also not showing the pleat.
This is indicative of the later 'austerity' pattern BD that was not yet developed in 1939.
The other red flag for an early war date is the head wear. They all sport the GS cap. Not seen in any numbers until 1943.
The dark colour of all the webbing visible also shouts late war. The shade KG3, a dark green, was adopted to replace the lighter colours of the early war years. It offered a better camouflage effect.
It is impossible for this photo to have been taken in 1939/40.
The clothes they wear just did not exist then.
I also agree that the cap badge looks to be the wrong shape for the Green Howards too.
By the period of the war shown in this photo they would have had their correct cap badge, I have not heard of any unit using another badge due to shortage of stock at any period of the war.
I'm sorry but my opinion is that this is not the GH and not taken in 1939.


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Posted 28 September 2011 - 07:50 PM

Joe - one more thing on battle dress - look at pics 4 and 5 at this war photos page. The dress is same as on the TA photo yet both these pics were take 1939/40 which adds support to the dating of the picture.
All the best
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That large group pic of the troops which you think was taken in 1940 was, in fact taken in 44/45.

The caps they're wearing is the G.S Cap which was introduced in 1943/44. The badge also appears to be the wreathed sphinx of the East Lancs Regiment (a gorgeous badge by the way).

There is also a mix of 1937 and 1940 pattern Battledress. 1940 pattern BD was introduced in 1942. Such a wide array of the 40 pattern BD can only really be understood if you regard the photo having been taken in 44.

Sorry, but it's most likely a 44/45 pic.
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Posted 28 September 2011 - 08:03 PM

Many thanks to all who have contributed to this post. I am very grateful and have now conceded the point in your favour. If anyone is interested in the forensics of the war, take a peak at my war blog and see if you can help track down any of Dad's missing comrades. Oh - and I see I need to change that photo on the Blog!!!!
All the best
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Posted 13 October 2011 - 06:33 AM

I'm still looking for wartime photos of the Green Howards.

I've seen a few on the Imperial War Museum site which appear to show that they wore a cloth backing to their cap badges (at least with GS caps). I'd be very interested if anyone had any photos which could confirm or deny this for certain?
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Posted 13 October 2011 - 06:47 AM

Posted these links to the June 1944 war dairies for the 6th & 7th battalions.

http://www.ww2talk.c...944-a.htmlosted

http://www.ww2talk.c...une-1944-a.html

Not a book recommendation, but in case you had not seen a copy.

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Posted 13 October 2011 - 06:49 AM

Excellent stuff! Thanks a lot Rob!
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Posted 13 October 2011 - 11:43 AM

Where are the pictures if anyone have then share over here.

I hope i got the pictures from here soon.
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Posted 13 October 2011 - 04:21 PM

You can see several Green Howards photos of my Dad here and none suggest he ever wore a cloth backing to the badge, even in dress uniform which he only ever wore once! Dad kept all his memorabilia in top order but there is no cloth badge backing with his badge.

I'm attaching a pic or two, incl one of a certain James Mitchell which illustrate the point further.

For more general Green Howards pics I suggest you explore the Pics tab on my site, together with the News tab. I will soon be posting some more pics sent in by families of Dad's comrades. If you want to be notified when they are posted I suggest you follow my War Blog .

Thanks

Paul


I'm still looking for wartime photos of the Green Howards.

I've seen a few on the Imperial War Museum site which appear to show that they wore a cloth backing to their cap badges (at least with GS caps). I'd be very interested if anyone had any photos which could confirm or deny this for certain?

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Researching my dad's war diary, now published by Pen and Sword. Called Fighting Through - From Dunkirk to Hamburg. Dad was at Dunkirk and in the first wave of troops landing on Gold beach on D-Day. He was also in North Africa, Sicily, and Hamburg. He was a batman, cook, No 1 Bren, No 1 mortar, wounded in action. Regiments were Green Howards, East Yorks and East Lancs. For more info, pics and ephemera please visit Fighting Through where you can read the first chapter, located on the beaches at Dunkirk. Also, over 200 names of comrades and contacts are listed which may be of interest to geneology enthusiasts.


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Posted 13 October 2011 - 04:30 PM

Thanks for the photo of James Mitchell, I hadn't seen that one before. Interesting photo, possibly post war, or very far away from the RSM (since he's wearing a beret rather than the wartime issue GS cap).

Take a look here. There are a few photos which suggest some sort of backing was worn

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#25 paulcheall

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Posted 13 October 2011 - 06:33 PM

Thanks for the photo of James Mitchell, I hadn't seen that one before. Interesting photo, possibly post war, or very far away from the RSM (since he's wearing a beret rather than the wartime issue GS cap).

Take a look here. There are a few photos which suggest some sort of backing was worn

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You're welcome J. I see what you mean - maybe there were times when there was a cloth backing but I can't help any more.
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Researching my dad's war diary, now published by Pen and Sword. Called Fighting Through - From Dunkirk to Hamburg. Dad was at Dunkirk and in the first wave of troops landing on Gold beach on D-Day. He was also in North Africa, Sicily, and Hamburg. He was a batman, cook, No 1 Bren, No 1 mortar, wounded in action. Regiments were Green Howards, East Yorks and East Lancs. For more info, pics and ephemera please visit Fighting Through where you can read the first chapter, located on the beaches at Dunkirk. Also, over 200 names of comrades and contacts are listed which may be of interest to geneology enthusiasts.


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Posted 08 April 2012 - 01:00 PM

Hi troops,
As you can see from the thread title I'm looking for WWII photos of The Green Howards. I've had a look around the net without much luck (I did find a couple on the IWM site) but I'm sure there must be many more out there. Do any of you have any you could post, or know of anywhere I can get hold of some?

I'm also interested in reading "The Story of The Green Howards 1939-1945" by Captain W.A.T. Synge, but am unwilling to shell out 200 pounds in order to do so! Does anyone know if this can be obtained at a reasonable price anywhere?

Failing that, does anyone have any other recommendations as to worthwhile reading (both internet links and real books) on the Green Howards in WWII (particularly 6th and 7th battalions).

Thanks in advance for any assistance.
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Joe


Hi Joe..... I know this is late on since your post but I have just uploaded a few pics of my grandfather when he was with the Green Howards.... they are in my info space. Hope they may be of interest to you....There is also one of Bayonett training
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Posted 08 April 2012 - 02:31 PM

Hi folks - just to let you know there are some more pics on my web site supplied by living veteran Wilf Smith, together with many of Wilf's photos. Click on Fighting Through - From Dunkirk to Hamburg - War Diary and autobiography of Bill Cheall - WW2, Dunkirk, D-Day memoir and war diary

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Researching my dad's war diary, now published by Pen and Sword. Called Fighting Through - From Dunkirk to Hamburg. Dad was at Dunkirk and in the first wave of troops landing on Gold beach on D-Day. He was also in North Africa, Sicily, and Hamburg. He was a batman, cook, No 1 Bren, No 1 mortar, wounded in action. Regiments were Green Howards, East Yorks and East Lancs. For more info, pics and ephemera please visit Fighting Through where you can read the first chapter, located on the beaches at Dunkirk. Also, over 200 names of comrades and contacts are listed which may be of interest to geneology enthusiasts.


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Posted 08 April 2012 - 06:44 PM

Besides Cheall's and Hastings' books, I can also recommend the following:

Geoffrey Powell, The History of the Green Howards (London, Arms & Armour, 1992)
(Modern book, well written, but not as strong on WWII details as some because it covers the regts entire history.)
W.A.T. Synge, The Story of the Green Howards, 1939-1945 (Richmond, Green Howards, 1952)
(Good, thick regtl history, with useful appendices. More honest than many regtl histories of the period.)
C. MacDonald Hull, A Man From Alamein (London, Corgi, 1973)
(This a novel, based closely on Hull's own experiences as an officer with the 6th Green Howards from Dunkirk to the NWE. It isn't a great novel, but it offers many insights and several of the characters are obviously disguised versions of well-known battalion figures.)
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Posted 08 April 2012 - 06:49 PM

As a follow-up on Synge: I don't know where you are, but if you're anywhere near London then the British Library and IWM should have copies. You might want to look at inter-library loan if you're further away. I used ILL for much of my research, and I must have photocopied 60 pages out of Synge. If you want your own copy, try abebooks. I got some hard-to-find military memoirs & unit histories from them. They were in excellent condition, too, and got to the States surprisingly fast. (I stumbled on the Hull book at a London bookstall--sometimes you get lucky!)
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Posted 18 June 2012 - 12:23 PM

Thanks for the recommendation TTH, I've just ordered "A man from Alamein". I'm in Denmark, so quite far away from the British library. I'll keep trying Abebooks.

It would be nice if they'd reprint Synge's book!
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